Khabib brutally dwarfed by football player (van dijk)

[Jose Beehive]

Ha! Know that documentary too, that was probably the most mind-blowing thing in it.

Hmm.. that's an interesting thing with the tackling vs first touch difference, though i'd still say having an amazing first touch is the non-plus ultra.
I think there might be some differences in "where" players are technically gifted, but overall, these differences are fairly minor - it's just that on that level, being slightly better at something, already makes a huge difference, or something like that.

As for guys like Dembele and the defende Adriano, i think being ambidextrous is something where it's very important to learn it early, but i can also imagine that some people just have better suited and worse suited halfs of their bodies/brains in that regard, but i could be wrong.

What i do know though, is that most one footed players at that level still have a fairly decent weak foot, but at that level, fairly decent is often not enough, you know?
Messi rarely shoots with his right, but he has on occasions scored lobs and even long range goals with his right foot, for example.

It's interesting, would you say A here requires a higher level of coordination than B?
A.

B.

But not as much technique to pull it off I guess.. I don't think either player is capable of timing those touches to the extent of the other one A Can't touch and turn like B, B can't time tackles like A.. and i'm not sure how much is nature vs nurture on this because some players seem to improve in area's they are not training or specifically aiming towards playing in.. Wan Bissaka as I mentioned is a case who spent the majority of his career learning to play football in the position of B attacking winger/forward. yet excels far more in A. despite only being a defender for like 3 years or so, yet been training as a winger for like 12 years. It's an interesting one.

It makes me think of how sick Bisping is to have fought a lot of his career with shit vision and depth perception yet still became a Champ, lots of it must come down to muscle memory rather which makes things complicated, I wonder if any Footballers with bad eye sight can play top level football without lenses or Edgar Davids glasses.. I suppose a blind person could in theory present themselves to have good Hand Eye coordination yet be using completely different senses to gather the same information which none blinded people must use to a lesser extent in their process too.


Yeah it's a great thing to learn early for sure.. There is a difference between players who are naturally both footed and then players who aren't but train to get it as good.. truely ambidextrous players are pretty rare at the top level though weirdly there's a few in lower leagues and stuff, but players i've mentioned have always been both footed, not trained just natural, which you'd think would give you a huge edge, especially when young.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

VVD would likely make a very good MMA fighter. Obviously there's intangibles at play, but he's very fast, great stamina, explosive and also strong as fuck.

Although he'll probably stick to his $16 mil a year contract rather than come and get punched for peanuts.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Never heard of this football player, I watch most NFL games

 

[Iron Nick]

It's interesting, would you say A here requires a higher level of coordination than B?
A.

B.

But not as much technique to pull it off I guess.. I don't think either player is capable of timing those touches to the extent of the other one A Can't touch and turn like B, B can't time tackles like A.. and i'm not sure how much is nature vs nurture on this because some players seem to improve in area's they are not training or specifically aiming towards playing in.. Wan Bissaka as I mentioned is a case who spent the majority of his career learning to play football in the position of B attacking winger/forward. yet excels far more in A. despite only being a defender for like 3 years or so. It's an interesting one.

It makes me think of how sick Bisping is to have fought a lot of his career with shit vision and depth perception yet still became a Champ, lots of it must come down to muscle memory rather which makes things complicated, I wonder if any Footballers with bad eye sight can play top level football without lenses or Edgar Davids glasses.. I suppose a blind person could in theory present themselves to have good Hand Eye coordination yet be using completely different senses to gather the same information which none blinded people must use to a lesser extent in their process too.


Yeah it's a great thing to learn early for sure.. There is a difference between players who are naturally both footed and then players who aren't but train to get it as good.. truely ambidextrous players are pretty rare at the top level though weirdly there's a few in lower leagues and stuff, but players i've mentioned have always been both footed, not trained just natural, which you'd think would give you a huge edge, especially when young.

Yeah i have no idea regarding the first example, though i'd say it's harder for the tackler to pull the first touch of Suarez off then vice-versa...
That being said... really good tacklers are rarely shite on the ball, Lahm, Van Dijk and Ramos are very good technically, certainly for their position.
It's interesting for sure, tackling aside though, i think as a defender it's more important to be able to anticipate beyond simple things, so whereas dribbling requires anticipation of what's right in front of you, being a defender requires to anticipate things which are further in the future, so to speak, but i could be totally off here as well, lol.

Good point with Bisping, i've thought about that too! I do think that depth perception isn't (that) important anymore though when you already have so much memory and muscle memory about fighting like you say, but still a crazy thing, mostly because he was more or less blind on one side.

If a blind person has big enough ears, that person could use sound waves like bats do lmao

 

[Iron Nick]

Never heard of this football player, I watch most NFL games

That's because he's a soccer player!

 

[Iron Nick]

VVD would likely make a very good MMA fighter. Obviously there's intangibles at play, but he's very fast, great stamina, explosive and also strong as fuck.

Although he'll probably stick to his $16 mil a year contract rather than come and get punched for peanuts.

He's also got great hand/leg-eye-coordination (like all players at that level) and most importantly, he's got thick, luscious hair, although the hairline needs some work.

I think that's why he's training with Khabib.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Yeah i have no idea regarding the first example, though i'd say it's harder for the tackler to pull the first touch of Suarez off then vice-versa...
That being said... really good tacklers are rarely shite on the ball, Lahm, Van Dijk and Ramos are very good technically, certainly for their position.
It's interesting for sure, tackling aside though, i think as a defender it's more important to be able to anticipate beyond simple things, so whereas dribbling requires anticipation of what's right in front of you, being a defender requires to anticipate things which are further in the future, so to speak, but i could be totally off here as well, lol.

Good point with Bisping, i've thought about that too! I do think that depth perception isn't (that) important anymore though when you already have so much memory and muscle memory about fighting like you say, but still a crazy thing, mostly because he was more or less blind on one side.

If a blind person has big enough ears, that person could use sound waves like bats do lmao

I suppose it begs the question as to why Balon D'or winners are rarely ever defenders and aren't perceived as highly by most.. Though Van Dijk is certainly an exception to the cause, which is interesting.

Yeah depending on tactics Defenders often set up in a way to predict, like offside traps and zonal marking, however there are much more stripped down man marking philosophies too, I suppose it depends on what style you're playing in, some defenders excel on the man marking, aggressive front, some excel (like Van Dijk) at dictating space and intelligent awareness.
I guess attackers too need to set up for the future as well though, with timed balls so as to beat offside traps, you kind of have to use your awareness of other players movement and pace what ever your position and for both your side and the opposition.

I mean Nik Lentz just kind of said the opposite though, so it's hard to say... I think Bisping is just an enigma, pretty sure the "working" eye he has is fucked too.

If a blind person has big enough ears, that person could use sound waves like bats do lmao

Haha! imagine how sick that'd be, if there was a Sonar Messi.

 

[Mma23]

Emasculation? Obviously not a fan of him but Khabib would maul him. The tallest man in the world isn’t the most alpha and lol at betas who think that.

Not far away from a ban as is typical for Conor excuse makers to have yellows

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

 

[Beherit]

as great as khabib is. he will always be known as king of the manlets.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) , the average age-adjusted height for American men 20 years old and up is 69.1 inches (175.4 centimeters). That's about 5 feet 9 inches tall which khabib's height.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

Khabib sand Conor are the same height. Conor does his stance in every picture. Conor is the only one with charisma in the whole pic

Try-hard=charisma? AS has none?

Conor does it in every picture because he's insecure. He takes an old man refusing a drink as an attack on his person.

 

[Deceasedxo]

Funnily enough, a soccer player at that level brings at least two things which help massively as a fighter: insanely good hand-eye-coordination (this term refers to the coordination of all limbs) and great athleticism all around.

Soccer players are pampered pussies. Sit down.

 

[Iron Nick]

I suppose it begs the question as to why Balon D'or winners are rarely ever defenders and aren't perceived as highly by most.. Though Van Dijk is certainly an exception to the cause, which is interesting.

Because offensive players are more joyful to watch and thus get more attention - that's the main reason i think.
(And it's more obvious to the casual fan if an offensive player is good then a defender, especially when the game doesn't go in the favor of one of those - you can still have some good actions offensively if your team plays shit, but as a defender you look stupid very fast if the rest of the defense has a bad day.)
You could potentially say that being the best offensive player is also more difficult/requires more talent than the best defensive player, but i obviously have no idea if that's the case, though i could imagine it to be the case.

Yeah depending on tactics Defenders often set up in a way to predict, like offside traps and zonal marking, however there are much more stripped down man marking philosophies too, I suppose it depends on what style you're playing in, some defenders excel on the man marking, aggressive front, some excel (like Van Dijk) at dictating space and intelligent awareness.
I guess attackers too need to set up for the future as well though, with timed balls so as to beat offside traps, you kind of have to use your awareness of other players movement and pace what ever your position and for both your side and the opposition.

Yup i think defenders in general need to have more tactical awareness, regardless of where their specialty is and yeah, maybe attackers need more of that in the future too, who knows.

A bit anecdotal; personally i found that playing as a striker/on the wing is (regarding the positional play) fairly easy, whereas being a defender you have to be more aware of tacticts and can't trust your instincts as much.

I mean Nik Lentz just kind of said the opposite though, so it's hard to say... I think Bisping is just an enigma, pretty sure the "working" eye he has is fucked too.

What did he say exactly? But yeah, Bisping is weird in that regard, haha.
Funnily enough though, he's quite similar to Poirier in that regard, both of these guys are some of the best when it comes to being "comfortable being uncomfortable" which is a great trait to have as a fighter.

Haha! imagine how sick that'd be, if there was a Sonar Messi.

Haha, cracked me up reading "Sonar Messi" lol.
When you think about it, sonar isn't weirder than our eyes though! Just like our eyes catches up light bouncing off objects, sonar does the same with sound, though light works better since there's pretty much always light and obviously light moves faster than sound (or anything else as well) too, lol.

 

[Noleggeisha]

Disappointeeeeed

 

[Iron Nick]

Soccer players are pampered pussies. Sit down.

They mainly play like "pussies" because it gets them advantages in games.

That being said, my point wasn't to say soccer players would always make good fighters, but playing soccer at the highest level requires some traits which would be insanely beneficial to have as a fighter too.


Pipe down, bro!

 

[Iroh]

With hand-eye-coordination i referred to every limb. Sounds stupid and fair enough pointing out that it's irritating.
But the thing is that it's one thing.
You aren't gifted with your feet/legs but not your hands/arms - it's one and the same thing.
Soccer players at the highest level require an insane amount of talent there so they'd obviously also have the talent to learn any technique existent in any martial art to perfection and faster than most guys on the UFC roster.
Another thing required for soccer, is to be athletic, most of the times athletic all around; being fast, agile and have great endurance. This too helps a lot in MMA.

So yeah, just looking at physical and especially motor skill and processing visual information, a guy like Van Dijk bursts of talents that make for a great MMA fighter.

Maybe if he started as a kid. Not anymore. His body is geared towards a completely different purpose and he is not used to real physical contact. The transition would be way too hard/take too long. Upper body is also underdeveloped. Flexibility is probably also pretty limited.

 

[NotDana]

Try-hard=charisma? AS has none?

Conor does it in every picture because he's insecure. He takes an old man refusing a drink as an attack on his person.

Insecure? Lmao he’s one of the most charismatic people in the world. He reeks of confidence

 

[Jose Beehive]

Because offensive players are more joyful to watch and thus get more attention - that's the main reason i think.
(And it's more obvious to the casual fan if an offensive player is good then a defender, especially when the game doesn't go in the favor of one of those - you can still have some good actions offensively if your team plays shit, but as a defender you look stupid very fast if the rest of the defense has a bad day.)
You could potentially say that being the best offensive player is also more difficult/requires more talent than the best defensive player, but i obviously have no idea if that's the case, though i could imagine it to be the case.

Yeah the majority do, but the people who vote for the most prestigious individual award in Football aren't just casual fans, what makes the exceptions to the cause I wonder.. Seemingly the more intelligent Defenders are higher perceived than the aggressive ones, Cannavaro was a the last defender to win it in 2006 who was known for his intelligence and pace, I believe Dan Dijk should have won the last one but he came 2nd who is known for similar attributes(though much taller), but a more aggressive arguably world class CB's like Vidic, John Terry maybe Carragher would never be considered because they don't fit the classy "Balon D'or CB" requirement imo.

Hard to say, both can be negated based on how well the team is doing, defenders and attackers can be equally negligible depending on the circumstances, though I suppose the saying is "The best defence is a good offence" lol. Depends on philosophy greatly though I guess, some managers prefer one type of player, some another.

Yup i think defenders in general need to have more tactical awareness, regardless of where their specialty is and yeah, maybe attackers need more of that in the future too, who knows.

A bit anecdotal; personally i found that playing as a striker/on the wing is (regarding the positional play) fairly easy, whereas being a defender you have to be more aware of tacticts and can't trust your instincts as much.

I always found the games I felt most lost in and least effective were the games I played as an attacker in a full 11 team, 5 a side is different cos everyones doing everything, but you can play out on the wing and get like 3 touches in a game and they could all just be passes back to the player you got the ball from, where as when I was playing as CDM or CM I found myself to be far more involved more often which in turn made it easier as I felt more involved thus more comfortable in the games.

What did he say exactly? But yeah, Bisping is weird in that regard, haha.
Funnily enough though, he's quite similar to Poirier in that regard, both of these guys are some of the best when it comes to being "comfortable being uncomfortable" which is a great trait to have as a fighter.

He said
"The injury I suffered to my eyes last year was a career ender. In total I lost about 40% of my vision, but I wanted to see what one more hard fought battle was like with the new eyes. It was clear to me last night that it’s impossible for me to compete at this level anymore. I just can’t lock on to a moving target like I should, and with 40% of my vision practically gone... it’s chaotic to (say) the least."
Though I don't personally believe the outcome would have been much different with him prior to his injury.

Haha, cracked me up reading "Sonar Messi" lol.
When you think about it, sonar isn't weirder than our eyes though! Just like our eyes catches up light bouncing off objects, sonar does the same with sound, though light works better since there's pretty much always light and obviously light moves faster than sound (or anything else as well) too, lol.

I remember seeing a dude who was like roller skating around in roads fully blind, and he'd learnt how to do sonar with his mouth and vibrations bouncing back to him, was amazing really.

 

[frontkick1]

Jose Aldo was apparently a very good, potentially pro soccer/football player before getting into MMA. helps explain his brutal leg kicks (check out the fight with Faber if any casuals haven't seen it)

Football players might have strong legs and hips but this has nothing to do with muay tai or kick boxing technique....

Back to topic Van dijk is a beast

 

[GraafschapDTCNL]

Just wanted to point one thing out; obviously you need skills in football and every pro has one or more skills as agility, stamina, coordination, explosiveness etc where he excels at. However, because it is a tactical game, you also have some players that are physically/athletically gifted to a lesser extent, but they read the game very well. Marten de Roon of Atalanta would be a prime example, Ngolo Kante to a lesser extent. These are great defending oriented players, but they dont have the athletic ability some attacking minded players have.