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Kentucky Derby...and Beyond?

Yep, Big Orange is my main bet in the race. Thought he was well overpriced earlier in the week @ 16/1, he's around 10's now but still a decent price. 5th last year, better draw this time and in better form. He'll lead from the front and is tough as old boots so expecting at least a place, will be a huge win for me if he can pull off the victory though. Also the more I look at the race, the more I like the favourite, Hartnell, he has the beating of a lot of these through various form lines. Final pick is Qewy @ 20's
I did like Bondi Beach also but not so sure now. 6 places being paid out in a place though, so may yet back him as well haha.

Hartnell 3rd/24
Qewy 4th/24
Big Orange 10th/24

Broke even on the race, would have been a respectable win had Big Orange managed a few places better. No real excuses, jockey said they went too fast for him but can't have that really. Hartnell came through going really well but faded for 3rd in the end, probably doesn't see the trip out completely. Qewy ran really well to grab 4th.

Anyway now on to the breeders cup!
 
Just watched Arrogate's workout from yesterday and I may have to adjust my thinking on him some. I'm not sure he'll be up to the challenge mentally with him having to face these older mature horses like Chrome in the Classic. We don't know what kind of reaction he'll have when forced to dig deep for the first time, and that's something like Chrome is very, very likely to ask of him. I'm also not crazy about his post position as he's a horse that, save for the Travers, has had issues with getting out of the gate slow in the past. Getting off slow in the Classic from the outside could be a race ender for him. But physically, I don't think a he could look any better coming into the race. Tremendous reach with the stride on him;



Not sure I'm going to use him yet, but if I do decide to back Melatonin as a price play in the exacta (12/1 morning line, I do believe), getting another horse with low odds in the trifecta wouldn't be the worst idea. Chrome, Melatonin, and Arrogate should be amongst the first four horses as they hit the first turn, and it wouldn't be surprising if they're 1st, 2nd, and 3rd at that point. On this track it wouldn't be such a bad idea to play them to finish there either.
 
https://downthestretchs.com/tag/free-past-performances/

If you guys look at the past performances that Brisnet puts out for the Classic it lists how a track is playing towards the bottom of them ('Track Bias Stats' section). For Santa Anita, which historically has been a significant speed favouring track, it has that information for the meet so far in route races

In 40 route races on the track this meet those with an 'E' running style have won 48% of them with 33% of them having a 'E/P' running style. 81% in total between those two running styles. 30% of those route races were wire to wire jobs, which is very high. Average distance behind leader at the first call (half mile mark) is 1.2 lengths.

And these are for the regular races at Santa Anita over the meet. There's a pretty good chance that the track will be sped up even more considering it's such a big racing day, and thus the track could becoming even more speed favouring.

Chrome (E/P), Arrogate (E/P), Melatonin (E/P) and Effinex (E) are the only four horses in the field that are classified as having an E or E/P running style. Not only is the winner coming from that group, but I'd be pretty shocked if the exacta doesn't come from that group as well. There's probably a pretty good chance that the trifecta comes from them four as well. The rest of the horses in the field are, if they don't adjust their running style for the race, basically relying on a pace battle up front thus resulting in either a partial or complete pace meltdown in the stretch. Don't see that happening.
 
Syndergaard is listed at 6/1 on the morning line for the Juvenile.

The 'track bias stats' for the 8.5F distance on the Santa Anita track this meet; 15 races. 40% have been won wire to wire. 60% of them have been won by a horse with an E running style and another 27% have been won by a horse with an E/P running style. 87% in total. Average distance behind leader at the first call was 0.9 lengths.

6/1 on a quality horse that is the speed of the speed on a track that is significantly speed favouring and could be even moreso come race time? I think I can get behind that any day of the week. The only question with him may be the distance, but his performance over the deep Belmont track last time gives me some confidence that he'll get the 8.5F this race. In that race at Belmont he sets blazing fast fractions of 44.64 to the half mile and then 1:08.76 to the three-quarter mile mark. Not only was he running that pace over a much slower track than Santa Anita, but he was doing so while involved in a speed duel with a horse right to his outside. Once Practical Joke (undefeated, two time G1 winner...also listed at 6/1 for Juvenile) came up to him in the stretch Syndergaard dug in and fought him right to the line, only losing by a nose in the photo.



Not This Time is listed as the 7/2 favourite on the morning line, and is very likely to go off quite a bit shorter than that come post time based on the amount of buzz he has right now. But I'm feeling a redo of the 2011 Juvenile race myself when Union Rags was all the buzz and the favourite, but I elected to back the speed of the speed in that race with Hansen (who was also distance questioned going in), which paid off at some pretty nice 8/1 odds in the end.

This was Syndergaard's performance two races back when Bobby On Fleek was being hyped up as the one to beat him. Syndergaard dusted him like he was nothing and did so while setting some very fast fractions.

 
Alright, I think I've got a good idea what I'm betting for two of the Breeders Cup races. How many more to go? Ah, Jesus.
 
Lord Nelson is listed as the 5/2 second choice in the Sprint? The public is not going to let him go off at that price come post time. I mean, they can't. Can they? I hope they will, but I don't think so.
 
"There is no doubt whatsoever which of the horses in the Juvenile has run the best single race to date, and that was Syndergaard in his loss in the Champagne Stakes."

- so said Andy Beyer

And that's the 100% truth right there.
 
I should probably let @Hodge23 handle this race, but it looks like Highland Reel in the BC Turf for me with both Flintshire and Found looking like plays against. Flintshire lost his last race as the 1/5 favourite, and while he's been dominating the US turf scene as of late, let's face it, he hasn't been nearly facing the quality of horses that he'll be up against in both Found and Highland Reel. Lets not forget that Highland Reel beat him on the square last December in a G1 race in Japan. Highland Reel simply outran Flintshire in the stretch too, as they started that drive right next to each other. He basically beat Flintshire at his own game;



The last time Highland Reel came over to the US he destroyed the field in the 2015 G1 Secretariat Stakes by about six lengths, which is a margin you don't often see on the grass. It may not have been the strongest field that day, but it did feature a G1 winner in Force The Pass so it wasn't completely without quality.

Found looks like the top competition in the Turf to me having just beaten Highland Reel in the Arc last month, although Highland Reel was cutting into her margin right to the line to finish 2nd by just over a length. Found also finished in front the other time they met as well. She looks like the best horse in this race on paper, but is she going to be at her best after having ran in the Arc on Oct 2nd, having raced again on Oct 15th (finishing 2nd), and then being asked to jump on a plane overseas to race again just 3 weeks later? Hmm. Might not be. There's at least some doubts there with the scheduling of her races anyways. But hey, she had no problem with doing the exact same thing last year and obviously didn't hurt her chances then in the BC Turf. As the defending champion of this race and as the winner of the Arc, she's also going to be bet down, though, I'm sure. I could see 2/1 on her if not lower. Same thing with Flintshire, who I expect to be bet down to that 2/1 range just because of how he has dominated the US turf scene this year. Highland Reel is listed at 3/1 on the morning line, but I could easily see that drifting up to the 5/1 or 6/1 range come post time just because the other two will be taking most of the money.
 
Both the Distaff and Dirt Mile are giving me headaches with how (or if) I'm going to bet those races. I don't want to bet against Songbird in the Distaff just because the two real alternatives don't leave me with much confidence and aren't going to be great prices themselves. But I really don't want to back Songbird at even odds either since there's still a question or two about her against this quality of competition. In the Dirt Mile I have a very hard time seeing horses like Gun Runner or especially Runhappy beating Dortmund, who may go off as the shortest priced favourite all weekend thus making him unbettable. At 8/1 on the morning line, Tamarkuz looks like he may be the best option to play in the place spot or behind Dortmund in the exacta. Not sure yet.
 
Lets see here. Gotta keep track of this. After my first run through handicapping the races these are my early leans so far;

Classic - Chrome over Melatonin in the exacta with a little Arrogate thrown in (1st to 3rd) for the tris
Turf - Highland Reel
Juvenile - Syndergaard
Sprint - Lord Nelson if he's close to ML odds
Dirt Mile - Dortmund over Tamarkuz in exacta with the latter to place? Maybe
Distaff - ?????

Ugh. Feels pretty chalky.

The rest of the BC races are either turf races featuring fields I know little or nothing about (hopefully Hodge or somebody else can help us there). Or a dirt race or two that I'm really not interested in. Yeah, that's about right.
 
With both Photo Call and Midnight Storm both looking like need the lead types in the BC Mile on the turf, that race is looking like it might open up for an off the pace type to get the job done me thinks. I haven't watched anything on video from the Euros yet, although the horse that Hodge mentioned, Limato (7/2 ML), does look like he is the class of this field having had a whole bunch of wins and place finishes in G1 on the other side of the pond. If I see a running style that could take advantage of a pace battle up front he looks like he may be tough on just his class alone. Out of the North American horses, Ironicus (8/1), would probably be the one I'd back before anybody as he's made a nice run in each of his last three races after having to overcome a slow pace up front in those races (49+ second half mile paces in each). In their one mile races, Photo Call and Midnight Storm have been running no slower than 47 seconds to the half mile, which is very fast for a race on the grass which typically sees pace that is slow early, fast late. With both those early speed types entered I think we have a very good chance to see a 46 second half mile and that would only help a horse with a closing kick like Ironicus, who's won every race he's been in with a 48 second or quicker half mile (4 of them).

Ironicus' (grey horse, #8) last race where he makes a huge late run and almost gets there at the end when trying to overcome that slow pace up front;




In his race before that Ironicus (#6) went up against Flintshire, and while it may be doubtful that he would have beat him that race since Flintshire appeared to get the jump on him, any chance Ironicus had was thrown out the window when he found trouble in the stretch and had to have the breaks put on his some (1:55 mark of next video). He still recovered from that, though, to get back up into 2nd at the line;




So yeah, I'll give Limato a good look in the next day or two, and maybe one of the other Euros. If I like what I see I'll use him. Shit, I may just use him anyway just based on his class and that I probably trust Hodge's opinion on the grass more than I do my own. But it's also looking like I'm going to get Ironicus into some wagers as well just because I think the race shapes up for him. Maybe mix up a few plays in that race with an exacta box involving those two included? At 7/2 and 8/1, there's nothing wrong with that I don't think since I'm trying to get some kind of decent price opportunities mixed in with all the chalk this weekend.
 
I don't know about anybody else, but I plan on singing this song out loud come Saturday evening;



Who's with me, huh? Come on, who's with me? Let's do this thing.
 
In looking at the 5 BC Turf Sprint races over the Santa Anita track it looks like both a mid to outside post and a late running style are what best suits the race over the quirky and unique question mark configuration (plus down hill through early portion). In 4 of the 5 races late runs on the outside was the winning move. The one exemption saw the horses that finished 2nd to about 5th all making that same late move on the outside. Post positions from the winners were from the 6 post to the 12 post, which sees horses to the outer half having an advantage due to their being a right handed turn first before making a left handed turn coming for home. Horses like the #11 Undrafted (12/1 ML) and especially the #10 Ambitious Brew (10/1) look like options to me. Ambitious Brew has ran this exact configuration on the Santa Anita three times already during his career and has won two of those races. He's the only one in the field who's ran it and that experience can only help. Leaning towards that horse after my first real look at the race. At 10/1 why not.
 
Okay, a little update on my early leans;

Classic - Chrome over Melatonin in the exacta with a little Arrogate thrown in (1st to 3rd) for the tris
Turf - Highland Reel
Juvenile - Syndergaard
Sprint - Lord Nelson if he's close to ML odds
Dirt Mile - Dortmund over Tamarkuz in exacta with the latter to place? Maybe
Mile - Ironicus, Limato, or maybe both
Turf Sprint - Ambitious Brew maybe
Distaff - ?????
 
Alright, that's 7 of the 13 Breeders Cup races where I have some idea on how to play them. Or maybe 8 of 13 if counting the Distaff, which may not get a play from me at this rate. We're getting there. Slowly. But there's no rush with still two more full days to go.
 
I don't know how Barbara keeps doing this, but she routinely captures some pretty amazing shots in her line of work. This one of Chrome is yet another one in a long line from her;

 
It may not be the smartest thing to do, but I may take a shot with Songbird in the Distaff just for the sake of having some action on that race even if she goes off as the low odds favourite. This decision would be made easier if I knew what the plan was for Beholder out of the gate. She could pressure Songbird in the early running, but that also likely compromises her chance in the process and opens the race up for Stellar Wind (and a horse like Forever Unbridled to factor perhaps). I'm not sure team Beholder wants to do that with the high cruising speed that Songbird posseses. That's going to take a ton of work to put Songbird away and I'm not sure Beholder can even do it even if she tried. I'm hoping that they leave Songbird alone in the early running and try to tackle her in the stretch, which will then give Songbird the tactical advantage of being the lone speed on a speed favouring track. I'm guessing (or hoping) it's the latter strategy with Beholder. I'm not getting the best price on Songbird, but factoring in her running style, possible tactical advantage that comes with it on this track, and the fact that I have had a sky high opinion of Songbird for quite some time now, I just might make that play and say fuck it. Let it roll, girl. Let those long legs roll.
 
Holy crap, do I ever love this stuff and trying to form opinions on all these races. It's like an early Christmas and then some.
 
Holy crap, do I ever love this stuff and trying to form opinions on all these races. It's like an early Christmas and then some.

Awesome stuff as always Shark! I learn so much from your breakdowns.
 
Coming in to the week i had some nice Ante Post bets (plus a couple of Non-Runners):

1Pt California Chrome (Classic) @ 5/1 - Obviously this one worked out very well, only wish id had more on haha, think I placed it in March after the Dubai World Cup.

5Pts Songbird (Distaff) @ Evs - Doesn't look too great now that i could get slightly better odds but still, its a confident one.

1Pt Flintshire (Turf) @ 4/1 - Would have been much better had Found not headed here, he'll do well to beat both her and Highland Reel and I'm not very confident. Ill probably just use him as a saver for whichever i pick out of Found/HR

1Pt Limato (Mile) @ 10/1 - Man I'm so happy with this one, put it on when he was supposedly being aimed at the Sprint (bet that too). I actually think they made the right decision running him in this longer trip and I can't wait to see him vs Tepin & Alice Springs on Saturday. My favourite horse in training.

1 Pt Limato (Turf Sprint) @ 6/1 - Non Runner, see above.

0.5Pts Alice Springs (Fillies & Mares Turf) @ 8/1 - Non Runner, runs in the Mile instead which is the right decision re: the trip.

Ive added some more bets throughout the week also that Ill post later.
 
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