it's pretty clear what he meant.
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It's only clear what you thought he meant. All he said was that he didn't do the things the Jews did so he there is no reason for Germans to go after him.
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@OneOfOne is entirely correct. At first I gave you the benefit of the doubt for your emotional knee jerk reaction but now you are tripling down on it. WW2 is no different than any other time period. There is brutality and cruelty, not born by comic style villains, but by competing interests aiming for power.
The overwhelming majority of German Jews were regular citizens, completely innocent. Making excuses and rationalizing for why they were mass slaughtered isn’t the best look. You’re trying to claim you’d have nothing to worry about because you’re not guilty (implying the Jews were. All of them)…..and I guess you wouldn’t have aided Jews since that was punishable by death…..
suggesting they had their reasons puts some accountability on the Jews also not a good look.
Oh and look how cool they looked.
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Well yeah, thats how it always goes. The majority of Mongols were innocent citizens, the majority of Nazis were innocent citizens, the majority of Ottoman Turks were innocent citizens, the majority of Whites in antebellum America were innocent citizens, etc. Doesn't change the fact that those communities took part in collective power struggles.
Rationalizing why something happened inherently examines the rationality behind why it happened so it inherently helps us understand it better and if possible prevent similar occurances in the future.
You use the term accountability which is infused with connotations of morality and justice. I simply use the term power, because history has shown us time and time again that foofy abstract concepts about what ought to be go out the window when it's a matter of who will kill and who will die.
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What did the Jews do to the germans that they "deserved" what they did to them? Nothing would ever be that bad that it would be "deserved" to KILL 7 million people! How can someone be that ignorant?
And @Kassitus
I have read some really bad BS here and there. But to tell the people France and Britain have invaded Germany is as dumb as it could be.
Danzig was german at some point but after WW1 they had to give it away. But you seem uneducated in that regard.
Like I said: read some history books and don´t shout out dumb stuff like you did.
And just a little hint: The Nazis also put people like you, who say stupid things, in concentration camps. It wasn't just Jews who were killed, but also people who had different opinions. Or because at some point in their family history they had someone who wasn't German. That was enough for them to be killed.
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And that someone gives you a like for this kind of horseshit is really ridiculous.
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There's nothing dumb about it, its simply the facts, plain as day for anyone to see. Do you not realize you are justifying the ethnic cleansing of Germans from Danzig? The area was not some fringe territory Germany came to control, it was 90+% ethnically German. But to you Germany should abandon their kinfolk simply because the treaty of Versailles says so? Nobody would accept that let alone a great power of Europe. The British Empire and French Empire invaded Germany because they were imperialists who supported Poland exerting imperial control over Danzig as it made Germany weaker in their zero sum power struggle.
I could act morally and intellectually superior to you as you do, but I won't. I know why you think the way you do. Put the emotions aside for a second and just think of them as red team and blue team. You can break the conditioning. If you have any questions, need any reading material or anything like that I can help, brother.
treaties are just a piece of paper you can rip up once you've recovered?
and the population of danzig was not ethnically cleansed.
which is sort of an aside. the evilness of hitler and the nazi regime is not based on simply on the invasion of danzig and starting another world war...........
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I don´t justify anything what happend in both WW. And there is nothing what I wrote you could suggest that its the case.
Ethnic cleansing didn´t happen in Danzig, I don´t know how you get to that clue. May be you are not as educated as you think you are. And my reality seems totally different to yours.
I know the story and historie of my own country better than you, thats for sure. Your "profound" reading material I don´t need.
And with your comments you disqualified yourself from being anything near of a brother to me.
I wouldn´t want to breath the same air like you.
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I don't think anyone is justifying anything. He was simply saying he wouldn't have to worry because he's not a member of the target group. It's like if I said I wouldn't have to worry about being carpet bombed and burned alive by Chruchill & Roosevelt because I'm not a little German child living in Dresden.
I think you guys are too emotionally invested in what the Nazis did. Did they commit evils? Sure. But everyone on all sides committed evils during that time and many other times. Yet if I rationalize or explain why America or England did something evil it doesn't trigger you. How come? Is it because you were taught to be triggered by Nazis?
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You didn´t have to be only jew to go to a KZ. They found many reasons to send people to that place. There were many other "target groups" you wouldn´t think about.
What you are doing with the rest of your post is comparing apples and oranges.
I don´t know how many native americans (north- and south america) where killed. And the reasons for doing it are well documented: land and money. This two reasons are bad no matter how someone will spin it. And it happend over and over again for several centuries and all over the world.
But nobody has ever KILLED 7 million people in this short amount of time only because they have another religion. And that was the only reason.
And yes: it triggers me when someone tries to trivialize the shit that happened in my home country.
And you and this other guy are doing exactly that.
there's no way to "rationalize" the extermination of an entire group of your own innocent citizens. and anyone that aided them.
There were about 56 million native americans killed. Is that not enough to earn a triggering from you? And the 6 million Jews(if you agree with that number) that were killed weren't killed due to religion. They were killed because of the percieved threat they posed. The Nazis, like many other people, believed they were systematically subverting their nation and working toward bringing in communism the same way many Jews did in Russia.
Also, you only need to look 20 years prior to WW2 to see an a similar atrocity in Russia. 5-7 million people were systematically starved to death by a genocidal maniac. Yet that doesn't trigger you either. Only the Nazis.
Are you German? Why doesn't the slaughter of actual Germans by the Allies trigger you?
And no one is trivialize anything. Were just not treating it like some unique evil that stands above all others. To me the killing of 200,000 Iraqis, for example, over land and money is just as evil. If supporting Hitler and the Nazi govt triggers you then so should supporting Bush, Obama, and the American govt.
so if a country rounded up all the black people and executed them, we can say it's not because of their skin color, but because of some perceived threat they collectively pose? or any group based on immutable characteristics?
If they were indeed rounded up due to some percieved threat they as a collective posed then yes, you can say that.
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Supporting Hitler and his crazy ideology despite that evil he has done is in my eyes trivializing, no matter how you spin it. And a "percieved threat" of a heavy minority of people, and a handful of jews, does not justify the extermination of an entire ethnic group.
Communism was desired as a form of society by many others, not just a few Jews. Or are you trying to tell me that in China or North Korea the Jews were also responsible for communism?
I think any crime that involves genocide is shit. If so many Native Americans were killed, that's tragic. Logically, that bothers me, and it would hardly be humane if it were otherwise.
But even today, half the world still accuses us Germans of being Nazism. People still look at us strangely because of it, even though that era is over 70 years ago. I'm not saying that it no longer exists in my country, but very few of those who vote for the far right today are Nazis, or even racist.
Yes, I´m German. But what are you talking about? People dying in wars, that was always the case and it will be always the case. That has nothing to do with my topic.
And comparing Hitler to Bush and Obama thats on you. I wouldn´t do it because it´s nuts. If someone would support Stalin I would probably be against that aswell.
Supporting Hitler and his crazy ideology despite that evil he has done is in my eyes trivializing, no matter how you spin it. And a "percieved threat" of a heavy minority of people, and a handful of jews, does not justify the extermination of an entire ethnic group.
Communism was desired as a form of society by many others, not just a few Jews. Or are you trying to tell me that in China or North Korea the Jews were also responsible for communism?
I think any crime that involves genocide is shit. If so many Native Americans were killed, that's tragic. Logically, that bothers me, and it would hardly be humane if it were otherwise.
But even today, half the world still accuses us Germans of being Nazism. People still look at us strangely because of it, even though that era is over 70 years ago. I'm not saying that it no longer exists in my country, but very few of those who vote for the far right today are Nazis, or even racist.
Yes, I´m German. But what are you talking about? People dying in wars, that was always the case and it will be always the case. That has nothing to do with my topic.
And comparing Hitler to Bush and Obama thats on you. I wouldn´t do it because it´s nuts. If someone would support Stalin I would probably be against that aswell.
and then it's not racist! i mean, all racists perceive the group they are racist against as a threat. so they're not really racist! because it's not the skin color they share that's the reason i hate them.
and maybe if i take my perceived threat and convince others that the threat are to blame for my problems or the problems around me, i can justify universally targeting that threat. and eliminating it.
and because i really perceived them as a threat, i can justify it. explain it. it makes sense. of course.
if those other people, an entire group defined by immutable traits they share, are the cause of my / our problems, it totally makes sense to eliminate them. round em up!
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Unequal treaties are indeed just pieces of paper you rip up after you recover, because they are oppressive and humiliating.
Danzig was being Polonized with policies that treated it as if it was a Polish area when in reality barely anyone was Polish. Also if you are going to say Danzig wasn't ethnically cleansed you should mention that you are talking about before WW2 because after the war they were ethnically cleansed along with the rest of Prussia.
I wasn't addressing the evil of the Nazis I was addressing Sickness' claim that Britain and France did not attack Germany.
