Kayla "Bones" Harrison responds to PED accusations

[Lemmy Caution]

If you're a woman fighting above 135 then you're not a woman

And under 205, you're not a man. Science is beautiful. Simple and exact. Everything is black or white.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

Depends what the testing protocol is

If you are only being tested in competition when you finish in the top three then testing would be incredibly easy to beat.

That's how they test Olympians?

 

[MikeyB]

Does she have crazy amounts of muscle for a woman? Yeah.
However - and i obviously can't know if she's clean - she's still got some fat on her plus (and this is even more important imo) she's insanely big boned; her shoulder-width, elbow joint-circumference, wrist-circumference and her hands are HUGE for a woman, so obviously she's able to pack on way more muscle than your average woman.
Add in above average genetics with higher amounts of testosterone and more growth hormones (for a woman) than usual and i can imagine that she's natural, as much of juggernaut as she is.

I find other female fighters to look FAR more suspect. Now for the mods: i'm saying suspect, i'm not accusing anyone of PED-use here, i'm only saying that i find it understandable when people are skeptical about the natty-status of some fighters.

The body of Jinh Yu Frey looks way harder to naturally attain for me than Harrison's body does, given one has the skeletal frame of Harrison.

She's not on PEDs she's big boned

BEEFCAKE!!!!!

 

[cmw43]

Isn't the olympics tested by WADA and not USADA?

Either way there's tons of cases where people cheated in the olympics and got busted after YEARS of investigations. If Harrison hasn't popped for roids now or the past, there's no reason to accuse her.

If she took roids eventually everything will come out.

I think it depends on the sport, USADA cover a lot of olympic athletes.

 

[GaryEric]

She has better arms than me, and I've held my own against LHW sized fighters before.

Your wife doesn't count.
Kidding , kidding

 

[Askafan]

Do you know how many tests Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones had? (I don't but must have been hundreds if not thousands, it wasn't a dirty test that got them busted)

I know how many USADA tests they had, Marion had 24 and Armstrong 29, well that's what it says on their website, although no doubt they were tested abroad as well. Kayla Harrison had 36 tests in 14 years.

 

[Iron Nick]

Indeed. Women, like men, have different levels of hormones. That's what's infuriating with the "trans debate." You have the fantasy or faith-based community pitted against the reality-based one. Then we are supposed to pretend that those are equal, opposite position, because there are no facts. Only opinions. Everybody's right and nobody is wrong.

Can you elaborate a bit further on the second part? I'm a bit confused!

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

I know how many USADA tests they had, Marion had 24 and Armstrong 29, well that's what it says on their website, although no doubt they were tested abroad as well. Kayla Harrison had 36 tests in 14 years.

Thats just USADA I guess, I’m sure they’ve both been tested more outside those auspices. Fact remains none pissed hot (I think Armstrong did for cortisone but it was covered up) but Armstrong and Jones were big juicers, Harrison we don’t know.

 

[countswagula]

And under 205, you're not a man. Science is beautiful. Simple and exact. Everything is black or white.

Are you meatheads seriously implying your masculinity is somehow determined by your weight? What makes someone a real man has nothing to do with their weight, it's solely linked to height

 

[Sickbro69420]

She has better arms than me, and I've held my own against LHW sized fighters before.

Lmao. What does that mean? Better physique? Does she have more muscle and less fat? Is she stronger than you and how are you able to tell? How are her arms 'better' than yours and what situation were you in with someone who was the sized fighters?

 

[VitorReem]

She looks a little HGHish to me but if she’s never pooped she’s never pooped no reason to go after her all the time. Just let the testing do it’s job.

Could just be a big chick that’s been lifting for 20 years.


I’d rather get raped by her than cyborg I’ll say that.

 

[dim_]

I can’t imagine a judo practitioner making the effort to juice to win in a sport that has absolutely no money at stake. It takes money and motivation to beat those tests, there’s no incentive without large revenues at stake

Dude, I can tell you about club cyclists who take epo to win cat 3 races where the prize is a set of pedals and a meat hamper.

There are 40 something bankers and lawyers who do epo and hgh to come in the first 50 in charity Grand Fondo's so that can brag about it to their mates

Reward has nothing to do with it, trust me

You only have to look at usadas sanctions pages. 40 year old fatties doping to win races where the prize money is $50

 

[dim_]

Do you know how many tests Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones had? (I don't but must have been hundreds if not thousands, it wasn't a dirty test that got them busted)

Lance was tested 234 times approximately. That includes testing by usada, UCI, and all other agencies.

That's total, for his twenty year career

In total he had, 4 samples with sky high testosterone/epi ratios, 2 cortisone positives, 7 epo positives in the 99 tour in retroactive testing, and 1 epo positive in the 2001 tour de Suisse. So 14 out if 234 samples would be a violation had they not been covered up by the UCI.

Lance ratio of clean tests is pretty dire to be honest

 

[dim_]

I know how many USADA tests they had, Marion had 24 and Armstrong 29, well that's what it says on their website, although no doubt they were tested abroad as well. Kayla Harrison had 36 tests in 14 years.

Lance had 234 tests total over his career. (Approx)

14 samples were either positive or highly suspicious

 

[dim_]

That's how they test Olympians?

Depends largely on the governing body of the sport. They are the ones largely responsible for the anti doping programs

so in this instance the international judo federation

Usada would only have jurisdiction in the times she was in the Olympic squad. And very often they don't even get jurisdiction at events, the sports governing body decides

 

[dim_]

In case anyone wonders, source on the Lance totals

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/the-legend-of-the-500/

I wrote that nearly ten years ago. Shortly after I wrote that Travis tygart at usada added a hilarious line to the Armstrong charges saying that they had repeatedly asked Lance for verification of the "500 tests" claim and he had refused to provide any. The UCI then conceded that it was just over 200 in total

 

[JSN]

SHE'S ON THE SHIT THAT MAKES YOUR NOSE GROW!

 

[DizzyYeahYeah]

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You're average Joe takes ped and they don't even do professional sports.

Alot of women or bodybuild ore compete in fitness take ped. I hope your not serious lol.

I know top female bodybuilders take PEDs. Your reply didn't even address what I said.

 

[DizzyYeahYeah]

You accuse someone of being an idiot and yet you're reasoning for believing she is natural is that not many people compete in her division? Also, the thickening and masculanization of a womens jawline /facial structures is a common side effect of a woman taking synthetic testosterone long term. Do you think it's just a coincidence that she is incredibly muscular and just so happens to exhibit one of the common side effects of a woman taking synthetic test?

You can find pictures of her when she was a youth. She still had a big chin and jawline. It's genetics, idiot.

 

[mst-dot]

Harrison's test history from Judo since she was 13 years old.
https://www.usada.org/news/athlete-test-history/

2003: 0
2004: 2
2005: 0
2006: 4
2007: 1
2008: 1
2009: 1
2010: 2
2011: 5
2012: 6
2013: 3
2014: 1
2015: 3
2016: 2
2017: 5
2018: 0
2019: 0
2020: 0

Maybe @dim_ has some more insight on the drug testing in Judo, but some of these numbers look like strictly in-competition drug testing (the same year she won the 2016 Olympic gold medal she only got tested twice <Lmaoo>).

And she hasn't been tested by USADA at all since starting her MMA career, so her whole "I've been tested by USADA since I was 13 years old" defense doesn't really hold up, especially if the tests were in-competition only.

It isn't the only testing body.
I can guarantee you can at least treble the amount of testing she has received..