I know this has been discussed, but why is Karate viewed as so useless. I'm in an area overseas where karate and kung-fu are the only choices. If these arts are so useless, why have they been around for so long? Do they have any self-defense value?
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hammerfist
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They are good for learning basic technique........and unless its kyokushin then basically you're screwed on the street...........
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Depends on the teacher. Many would say shotokan is useless, but there is a shotokan dojo that has several world champs at it near my house and those are not guys to fuck with.
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depends if its kyokushin or not
useless ma's still live on b/c of movies etc. what better way to promote kung fu than to tell ppl u can learn how to fly in the air w/ multiple kicks, do backflips when you fight, and kill ppl w/ one hit
obvious, its all bs or overexaggeration. most of these ppl who teach have no fighting experience, and that b/c they trained in a martial art, it makes them think they are able to defend against real fighters. obviousl not true, since most of these overconfident ppl who fight in the early ufcs got their butt kicked
however, teh media is a powerful think, ppl take kung fu/ karate/ taekwondo, b/c they look "awesome," unlike real ma's like muay thai and wrestling, which look "dirty"
useless ma's still live on b/c of movies etc. what better way to promote kung fu than to tell ppl u can learn how to fly in the air w/ multiple kicks, do backflips when you fight, and kill ppl w/ one hit
obvious, its all bs or overexaggeration. most of these ppl who teach have no fighting experience, and that b/c they trained in a martial art, it makes them think they are able to defend against real fighters. obviousl not true, since most of these overconfident ppl who fight in the early ufcs got their butt kicked
however, teh media is a powerful think, ppl take kung fu/ karate/ taekwondo, b/c they look "awesome," unlike real ma's like muay thai and wrestling, which look "dirty"
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At one point, yes. But they have become watered down and useless over the years. The Karate you see now is not the same Karate that used to be effective in ancient Japan.
The useless martial arts still persist because your average person has no idea that they don't really work.
The useless martial arts still persist because your average person has no idea that they don't really work.
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They were use to kill during times of war. Anything with the word Do in the name is a watered done conditioning program or a sport with no real combat application. Anything with the the word Jitsu or Jutsu is supposed to be made for combat, but in America almost anything you find is probably going to be taught wrong anyway so it probably won't be very combat applicable. There are two organizations in America that do teach the "REAL" martial arts which were and are used for killing. These organizations are call D.K.I. and D.S.I. They are fairly difficult to find but are well worth it. I haven't personally studied Kyokushin and cannot vouch for it one way or the other.
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so what. peope have beleived the world was flat for a long time. Even when exposed that it was round by galileo, they declared him heretic. Even til columbus...Not only that, columbus didn't 100% prove the world was round, he didn't travel around the world, he just found a large mass "over the edge". when did columbus come..around 1400? (i suck at dates) and they believed it was flat since..the BCs?
tradition can be pretty brainwashing.
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World champs in what? Shotokan?
Shotokan is useless against someone who knows how to fight. Against an average Joe, ok, fine. But anyone with rudimentary boxing skills could take on a shotokan guy. and anyone with any ground skills would own them. I trained many years in shotokan and have a shodan in it. I am speaking from a relatively educated point of view. Which is why I switched to Muay Thai.
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Im not saying against people in the UFC, im just saying if you just want to learn to defend yourself its fine. The guys are champs in continuous , point, and kicboxing. But yes, people with ground skills would own, im just saying against the average belligerant , one would be fine.
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that's not true; i was a blue belt in tae kwon do, and i was jumped by 3 guys. couldn't do anythign to them, so i ran away (which they DIDN'T teach me at that mcdojo)
you HAVE to have real experience to be able to use them for defense. karate, kung fu, taekwondo, has a "safe" environment that you cannot have a feel of real combat (hae a taste of your own blood). i know this from experience, as well as others
http://www.bullshido.us/dl_goto.asp?id=122
tell me this'll work, i dare you
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Truth be told, probably are better off lifting weights. The most important thing to do is avoid the street fight altogether. There are exceptions to every rule, but common sense will keep you out of 90-99% of violent situations. That being said, being in good shape and having confidence in yourself is also top five in just about anybodies book. If somebody looks weak they are more likely to be attacked than somebody who looks strong.
As far as Karate and Kung Fu goes there are good things you can learn from those arts. A lot depends on your teacher/sensei. Go, check out the school and ask yourself a few questions. Would the techniques they are teaching help in a fight? Do they practice full contact? Do they teach me how to avoid situations that would get my ass kicked (like attempting a head kick in a street fight)? If you answer no to any of these questions you may want to rethink taking classes there for anything other than fun.
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u are better off with nothing. lifting may be bad...cuz, like a mcdojo, if also gives u false confidence, and u think from waht u do u can beat anyone up.
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If you wants to be a good fighter, fight a lot. It is always better not to fight on a street, but you don't have to have fear on fighting unless you know the place is really dangerous and you might be facing a gun if you fight. When I was young I fought a lot, and I went to hospital many times. I even was in hospital for a month after I fought someone(or many people, I don't remember) when I was drunk. But - yes it was stupid thing to do, but it definitely is the best way of developing combat sense. Word.
And about that Karate thing, anything is better than nothing if you don't fall into their "our techniques are dangerous" bullshit. It will give you condition, and if you really concentrate on one or two simple & effective stuff they teach, they can be really effective - trust me.
And about that Karate thing, anything is better than nothing if you don't fall into their "our techniques are dangerous" bullshit. It will give you condition, and if you really concentrate on one or two simple & effective stuff they teach, they can be really effective - trust me.
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If it is not kyokushin or Shidokan it is usually useless unless you come from a bad ass dojo. My dojo is an Isshinryu dojo (MADY'S) but we are bad asses, we fight in kyokushin tournaments, shidokan tournaments, we kickbox, we have K1 fighters and a few of us are training for the UCC. Shihan Mady teaches people how to kick ass but he also teaches the ART of Isshinryu.
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A 16 year old girl from one of our schools was attacked by a 220 lb trucker in Scottsdale Az. She knocked him out cold with two strikes and was completely unharmed. Do doesn't teach you this. McDojos don't teach you this. You must know EXACTLY how and where to hit someone or else almost everything is going to be determined by strength and size. I may not be the smallest and weakest person on earth but I sure as hell am not going to bet that I am the strongest. I want to know beyond any shadow of doubt that no matter how big or strong my opponent is my techniques will destroy them. Our style has been proven on the street in life and death situations across the glob hundreds of times. Be careful what the schools tell you. Although there are certain schools who teach extremely dangerous techniques, most of them will only claim to. I have personally had my internal organs shutdown by these (it was the most horrifying painful experience in my life but it was so cool!). Unless the are willing to demonstrate it on you first hand and do techniques with the other person resisting then it's a bunch of bullshit.
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