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Bas Rutten is a machine. He has great cardio. However by looking at his workout video's I noticed one thing. It's the simple stuff which can work wonders. The simple stuff alone which can get someone into great shape. What's on Bas DVD's ? Padwork mixed in with shadowboxing. He does sets of sprawls and pushups inbetween. Nothing new. Nothing out of the box. What delivers results is his intensity. Just hard work and pushing your limits with the basics. No need for any equipment. I mean, heck, you can do that stuff at home on the days you can't make it to formal training. The basics + hard work = You get into fight shape.
 
It's a conditioning workout - only a piece of the puzzle.
 
Not just a piece of the puzzle. The biggest chunk of it and the most important. To be a good fighter you need to be a cardio machine. Be it MMA, Kickboxing, Judo whatever, your fitness has to be top notch. Way back in my first wrestling session I learnt this. 5 mins of fast paced grappling can be the hardest 5 mins of your life. I don't care how much weight you can pile on a barbell, the second you get winded and out of breath - you're finished.
 
Daccias said:
Not just a piece of the puzzle. The biggest chunk of it and the most important. To be a good fighter you need to be a cardio machine. Be it MMA, Kickboxing, Judo whatever, your fitness has to be top notch. Way back in my first wrestling session I learnt this. 5 mins of fast paced grappling can be the hardest 5 mins of your life. I don't care how much weight you can pile on a barbell, the second you get winded and out of breath - you're finished.
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I think skill is the biggest chunk and most important. I don't care how many sloppy strikes and shitty takedowns you can do, If I'm a black belt and you're a white it's obvious who'll win.
 
If you're slammed and pounded out/subbed by a stronger opponent in the first minute, you're also finished.

I'm not speaking out against conditioning, but it's also a great advantage to be stronger than your opponent.

All pieces of the puzzle are important. I'd be very pleased to be put in the ring with a weakling who has nothing to rely on but tremendous cardio.
 
cheez whiz said:
If you're slammed and pounded out/subbed by a stronger opponent in the first minute, you're also finished.

I'm not speaking out against conditioning, but it's also a great advantage to be stronger than your opponent.

All pieces of the puzzle are important. I'd be very pleased to be put in the ring with a weakling who has nothing to rely on but tremendous cardio.
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You'd be pleased to fight Nick Diaz? haha jk.
 
belph said:
Do I get paid Anderson Silva money ? I'd let him kick my ass for some cash.
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I think only people who are already filthy rich would not fight Nick Diaz for Anderson Silva money.

My gameplan would be to go for the double leg right away... and try to get myself guillotined as quick as possible.
 
BrizzoBoi said:
I think only people who are already filthy rich would not fight Nick Diaz for Anderson Silva money.

My gameplan would be to go for the double leg right away... and try to get myself guillotined as quick as possible.
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My plan is similar. The only difference is I'd drop immediately and start crying.


" Dear gawd Mr.Diaz please spare my liver"
 
belph said:
My plan is similar. The only difference is I'd drop immediately and start crying.


" Dear gawd Mr.Diaz please spare my liver"
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Hahaha, that plan sounds much better actually.

But to stay on topic. Far and away, skill training is most important aspect in MMA. Also, I don't hear it being mentioned a lot, but if you're doing the techniques for wrestling, bjj, striking correctly, it is significantly less draining than if you're sloppy.

Like when I roll with beginners who are in great shape, they gas out really quickly, some of it is attributed to not having done it before, but really, it because they don't use their weight, leverage and technique and just trying to muscle through everything that really drains them.
 
Daccias said:
Bas Rutten is a machine. He has great cardio. However by looking at his workout video's I noticed one thing. It's the simple stuff which can work wonders. The simple stuff alone which can get someone into great shape. What's on Bas DVD's ? Padwork mixed in with shadowboxing. He does sets of sprawls and pushups inbetween. Nothing new. Nothing out of the box. What delivers results is his intensity. Just hard work and pushing your limits with the basics. No need for any equipment. I mean, heck, you can do that stuff at home on the days you can't make it to formal training. The basics + hard work = You get into fight shape.
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Bas? Is that you?
 
No, the most important aspect of MMA training is not "cardio". Hell the matches are 15-25 mins long, is your cardio going to be tested more than in a marathon? Your strength endurance tested as much as say rowing? Doubtful. Just look at the fighters, the fact the fighters are so muscular disproves that argument straight away. If cardio was really more important than strength and power the fighters would look like endurance athletes, in MMA the vast majority do not.

A sport as dynamic and variable as MIXED martial arts requires a balance of strength, power, speed, endurance and flexibility, with the fighter trying to optimise his capabilities in each as suits his body and fighting style. The most important element of their training will be their skill work (as striking and grappling are highly dependent on skill). The sport has a time limit, 15 to 25 mins, so obviously training endurance is important as without it obviously they won't last more than a minute.
 
cheez whiz said:
If you're slammed and pounded out/subbed by a stronger opponent in the first minute, you're also finished.

I'm not speaking out against conditioning, but it's also a great advantage to be stronger than your opponent.

All pieces of the puzzle are important. I'd be very pleased to be put in the ring with a weakling who has nothing to rely on but tremendous cardio.
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Is this a serious post?
Have you ever even trained any martial art?
To slam someone takes a great amount of skill and drilling. You can't just pick someone up and slam them in a cage like a middle school fight. You must also know submissions to apply them properly.

Some people on this forum think that lifting is gods gift to MMA.
 
DatchGuy said:
Is this a serious post?
Have you ever even trained any martial art?
To slam someone takes a great amount of skill and drilling. You can't just pick someone up and slam them in a cage like a middle school fight. You must also know submissions to apply them properly.

Some people on this forum think that lifting is gods gift to MMA.
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Not gods gift, Certainly something beneficial. Though, not required.
 
The first round goes to the better technician. The second round goes to the best conditioned. The third round goes to the one with the most heart.
 
DatchGuy said:
Is this a serious post?
Have you ever even trained any martial art?
To slam someone takes a great amount of skill and drilling. You can't just pick someone up and slam them in a cage like a middle school fight. You must also know submissions to apply them properly.

Some people on this forum think that lifting is gods gift to MMA.
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Sorry, I guess I have to spoon feed the tools who just drop in to jump to conclusions.

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, SKILL-WISE, being stronger is an advantage just like being more conditioned. Sheesh.

This thread is stupid. I should have just

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Bas workouts are fine for a couch potato looking to get off the couch. They will not make you stronger and they are not the best conditioning available.

If you want to push your conditioning to a new level:

http://rosstraining.com/blog/
 
This is true about ross. Something just weightlifting only isn't going to help. Its a whole different game once your in there grappling and sparring to lifting weights. Those who never done it of course will have a close mind
 
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