Just got subbed with the most brutal pain ever

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by snakeybizz, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. snakeybizz

    snakeybizz Purple Belt

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    No gi...

    Over/Under Pass...

    Captured butterfly hook in between my legs...

    2nd Leg over my neck trying to triangle but unable to connect with other leg...

    Dude reaches over with arm and goes inner forearm to pull ankle for a variation of rubber guard....

    Side of my face touching his thigh as I start to pass...

    His rubber guard arms elbow digging into my cheek bone...

    I'm completely stuck, skull nearly collapses...

    Totally unable to pull head out at this point...

    I scream out in my pain and he lets go before I even tap...

    morale of the story don't rest your face on your partners thigh in an over under pass kids!...poke it right out past his leg and get shoulder pressure
     
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  2. SummerStriker

    SummerStriker Black Belt

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    I would have just sprawled my weight onto his neck to force him back into closed guard and open him up with a can opener (which he is softened up for) then flip backwards into a heel hook. Normally I just hit the flying scissors and finish with a knee bar but you have to have a plan b.
     
  3. DushanS94

    DushanS94 Orange Belt

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    The can opener is probably the most disgusting and ineffective closed guard opening method ever.
     
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    SteelHammer Green Belt

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    So can openers don't hurt you? If they make you react, then they work well enough to be useful
     
  5. snakeybizz

    snakeybizz Purple Belt

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    Can opener is the first thing I try when opening the guard always...great tool for mma and bjj...we all do it at our gym so no one is offended or finds it dirty...it's a legit technique and we all recognize it
     
  6. JenStark

    JenStark Blue Belt

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    I got can opened once by a much bigger white belt. I privately complained about it to training partners and a veteran brown belt taught me to thrust my fingers into the opponent's throat if it ever happens again. I am eagerly waiting for the opportunity to do so.
     
  7. cms9690

    cms9690 Green Belt

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    Can openers only really work if you're a lot stronger / larger than your partner or if they really don't know what's going on.


    It's probably better to just learn how to pass guard.
     
  8. Headkicktoleg

    Headkicktoleg Steel Belt

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    So instead of being better at jiu jitsu you are just going to be a dick. Okay
     
  9. eembach

    eembach Imperial Grandmaster Banned

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    lol this all day theres no better way
     
  10. cms9690

    cms9690 Green Belt

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    Stiff arming their face / throat when they can opener you is a valid defense.
     
  11. vcmmafan

    vcmmafan Brown Belt

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    That's smart fighting wise... but at my gym it wouldn't fly =\
    How do your higher belts usually counter it?
     
  12. SuperSuperRambo

    SuperSuperRambo Senior Moderator Senior Moderator

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    Sounds like you got caught in the "armless triangle" except he had it on your face instead of neck?
     
  13. shunyata

    shunyata Red Belt

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    Can openers make me crossface or crossthroat the guy. Unless he's baiting that crossface and intends to do something with my arm they are not super productive.
     
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    Einarr Banned Banned

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    All illegal in 95%+ of tournaments. Great advice though.
     
  15. SummerStriker

    SummerStriker Black Belt

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    I was just giving snakey shit.
     
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    Einarr Banned Banned

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    Oh, haha. Hard to tell online, sorry. :redface:
     
  17. SummerStriker

    SummerStriker Black Belt

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    All good. I'd honestly fear rolling at his gym though and get outside tripped into a no hands knee bar or something.
     
  18. smart.feller

    smart.feller Beer Drinker

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    I don't know why people have an issue with the can opener submission...is it a dick move? Meh, only because the IBJJF rules say so. It's pretty damn easy to counter and defeat your opponent while they try it. Simple steps.

    1: Open your guard
    2: Place your feet on the ground
    3. Push with your legs to create space and relieve pressure.

    Now if you want to get trickier, try this...

    1: Open your guard keeping knees tight
    2: Latch on to opponent's arm at wrist with far hand and behind elbow with near hand
    3: Place foot opposite of arm trapped on opponent's hip
    4: Using foot on hip, rotate your body away from trapped arm while bridging/driving your hips to the sky
    5: Apply arm bar
    6: ??????
    7: Profit

    Almost all "inside the guard" submission attempts leave you vulnerable to arm bars, and your opponent is nearly always forced to weaken their own posture in an attempt to hit it their submission attempt.

    There are many ways to set up an arm bar counter to the can opener, I just listed my preferred. Search "arm bar can opener" on youtube to see a variety of different techniques with the same end state.
     
  19. snakeybizz

    snakeybizz Purple Belt

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    It was an armless triangle but he had his arm underhooking his ankle like rubber guard ...and that arms elbow was digging into my face
     
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    snakeybizz Purple Belt

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    also weird how this turned into a can opener thread there was no can opener just a weird position of my head stuck in between his elbow and thigh and my head nearly exploding
     

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