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Just by being a HW on the roster you have a 50% shot at being ranked

MMA would become like Sumo in Japan. No weight divisions and while a few non morbidly obese can rise up the ranks, most can't.

North Americans like to see their athletes looking ripped, it just is what it is.
You must be very young the UFC started this way and those fatties all got their shit punched in by much smaller athletic men. And Pride also showcased how these types did a middling ww like mayhem miller beat up an experienced 375 fatty.
 
Most of them are so boring
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^ THIS ^ ... HW is so boring and stale, its not fun, we get like 1 UFC HW title fight every 2 years, its so boring and dead. It needs huge investment and a lot of time to fix it.
 
You're applying an extremely online mindset to it. Jokic never said to himself "I'm going to play basketball instead of hockey because I can make more money in basketball." That's not how sports work. Athletes gravitate to sports that they like or have natural talent for and that's really all there is to it.

American wrestlers, who used to dominate, also didn't suddenly come to the collective thought that they just won't bother with MMA anymore, leaving it for developing countries to take over. That is retarded <lmao> <lmao> . The talent pool grew x5 and got harder to rise through, plain and simple.
This is a really hard concept to grasp for a lot of people, especially Americans because of the way the sports infrastructure and sports marketing works there.
 
This is a really hard concept to grasp for a lot of people, especially Americans because of the way the sports infrastructure and sports marketing works there.
Also,

LHWs are walking around at 230-240 these days.

MWs 215-225.

Extreme weight cutting is what happened to the higher weight classes. Most everyone is one division below where they would have been 10-15 years ago.
 
Also,

LHWs are walking around at 230-240 these days.

MWs 215-225.

Extreme weight cutting is what happened to the higher weight classes. Most everyone is one division below where they would have been 10-15 years ago.

In an ideal would every fighter who fights at over 200 lbs in the cage should be in heavyweight.

Driscuss Duplesis is the size of the average HW Boxer from the 90s.
 
You're applying an extremely online mindset to it. Jokic never said to himself "I'm going to play basketball instead of hockey because I can make more money in basketball." That's not how sports work. Athletes gravitate to sports that they like or have natural talent for and that's really all there is to it.

American wrestlers, who used to dominate, also didn't suddenly come to the collective thought that they just won't bother with MMA anymore, leaving it for developing countries to take over. That is retarded <lmao> <lmao> . The talent pool grew x5 and got harder to rise through, plain and simple.
Wrestling was dropped from the Olympics in 2013 due to dwindling interest and wasn't begrudgingly readmitted until 2016. Right in the midst of this span, the UFC banned outside sponsors and signed the Reebok deal so one of the most significant ways for MMA fighters to make money suddenly vanished. Do you seriously not think this detracts from the appeal of crossing over into MMA?

There is also no other way to make income with wrestling. You can't "go over to Europe" or linger around the minor leagues if you don't make it as a pro... there is no making it as a pro lol.

So with that in mind, if you're a parent raising a child in the United States, why the hell would you steer them towards wrestling as a sport? At best they are going to get a scholarship and earn a degree but making it as a professional athlete? Forget about it.

Genuine LOL @ thinking athletes all chose their sport and that parents don't have a significant impact on what they get enrolled in. Most naive take ever... professional athletes train their entire lives... they don't just pick up a sport one day like a college elective and realize they have a talent for it <lmao> The vast majority of them are pushed from an extremely young age.

MMA seemed like it was on a trajectory to be a mainstream sport in the late 2000s but the pay has legitimately gotten worse since then. The minimum salary in the NFL is $795K a year. NHL is $775K a year, MLB is $720K a year (uncapped potential to earn). Lowest paid player in Premier League is earning 4000 eur a week. NBA is $1.15 MILLION. Now I ask you... what sport would you enroll your child in?

But hey continue to believe that the sport has just magically evolved since the 2010s and that wrestling is suddenly not a successful base for MMA. That 37 year old one dimensional kickboxer who just became a 2 divisional champ sure would walk through any 205er ever, wouldn't he?

Tai Tuvasa may be riding a 5 fight losing streak but goddammit, he's still one of the baddest men on the planet and still worthy of being in the top 10. That talent pool has sure grown hasn't it? <lmao>

I guess there's just not that many big athletic guys around man... it's not like the average weight of a LB is 245 pounds or anything and besides, they're hardly athletic. They're too scared to fight in MMA man, they're pussies for chasing that $3.8 million dollars a year average salary to compete in a real sport ;).

It is absolutely foolish to think that the UFC salaries are as attractive in the US as they are in developing countries. For example, the average annual salary in Georgia is the equiv of $11,000 USD. That's right... they could potentially make more than their entire year's salary just by being on the prelims. Do you think an American fighter can do that?

This is the primary reason why the UFC started heavily marketing themselves as an "international sport" in the early 2010s... it is easier and cheaper to recruit international talent and hype them as "the best in the world" than it is to deal with sports agents in the US. They're essentially outsourcing their talent just like many other industries have.

Unless you love fighting so much that you don't give a crap about earning a living, why the hell would any college athlete from the US consider a career in MMA after the Reebok deal? You'd be damn lucky to even make it to the UFC let alone have a long career and when that's over, then what? You're 10+ years behind all of your peers and starting a new career from scratch? Or you're juggling an MMA career with another job which many of the current UFC fighters are forced to do. Yeah... that's what I call seeing fighters at their best.

If you don't understand that lack of financial incentive has significant impacted the quality of MMA recruitment, you are a desperate UFC schill and beyond hope. Dana White and the Fertittas didn't make BILLIONS of dollars by paying fighters what they're worth. College educated wrestlers have caught on and are not signing up to be exploited anymore.
 
probably not much the UFC can really do about this. If they do another TUF heavyweight season, 90th percentile of the guys will end up as "UFC vets" aka guys who got cut from the UFC for jobbing it out
 
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Wrestling was dropped from the Olympics in 2013 due to dwindling interest and wasn't begrudgingly readmitted until 2016. Right in the midst of this span, the UFC banned outside sponsors and signed the Reebok deal so one of the most significant ways for MMA fighters to make money suddenly vanished. Do you seriously not think this detracts from the appeal of crossing over into MMA?

There is also no other way to make income with wrestling. You can't "go over to Europe" or linger around the minor leagues if you don't make it as a pro... there is no making it as a pro lol.

So with that in mind, if you're a parent raising a child in the United States, why the hell would you steer them towards wrestling as a sport? At best they are going to get a scholarship and earn a degree but making it as a professional athlete? Forget about it.

Genuine LOL @ thinking athletes all chose their sport and that parents don't have a significant impact on what they get enrolled in. Most naive take ever... professional athletes train their entire lives... they don't just pick up a sport one day like a college elective and realize they have a talent for it <lmao> The vast majority of them are pushed from an extremely young age.

MMA seemed like it was on a trajectory to be a mainstream sport in the late 2000s but the pay has legitimately gotten worse since then. The minimum salary in the NFL is $795K a year. NHL is $775K a year, MLB is $720K a year (uncapped potential to earn). Lowest paid player in Premier League is earning 4000 eur a week. NBA is $1.15 MILLION. Now I ask you... what sport would you enroll your child in?

But hey continue to believe that the sport has just magically evolved since the 2010s and that wrestling is suddenly not a successful base for MMA. That 37 year old one dimensional kickboxer who just became a 2 divisional champ sure would walk through any 205er ever, wouldn't he?

Tai Tuvasa may be riding a 5 fight losing streak but goddammit, he's still one of the baddest men on the planet and still worthy of being in the top 10. That talent pool has sure grown hasn't it? <lmao>

I guess there's just not that many big athletic guys around man... it's not like the average weight of a LB is 245 pounds or anything and besides, they're hardly athletic. They're too scared to fight in MMA man, they're pussies for chasing that $3.8 million dollars a year average salary to compete in a real sport ;).

It is absolutely foolish to think that the UFC salaries are as attractive in the US as they are in developing countries. For example, the average annual salary in Georgia is the equiv of $11,000 USD. That's right... they could potentially make more than their entire year's salary just by being on the prelims. Do you think an American fighter can do that?

This is the primary reason why the UFC started heavily marketing themselves as an "international sport" in the early 2010s... it is easier and cheaper to recruit international talent and hype them as "the best in the world" than it is to deal with sports agents in the US. They're essentially outsourcing their talent just like many other industries have.

Unless you love fighting so much that you don't give a crap about earning a living, why the hell would any college athlete from the US consider a career in MMA after the Reebok deal? You'd be damn lucky to even make it to the UFC let alone have a long career and when that's over, then what? You're 10+ years behind all of your peers and starting a new career from scratch? Or you're juggling an MMA career with another job which many of the current UFC fighters are forced to do. Yeah... that's what I call seeing fighters at their best.

If you don't understand that lack of financial incentive has significant impacted the quality of MMA recruitment, you are a desperate UFC schill and beyond hope. Dana White and the Fertittas didn't make BILLIONS of dollars by paying fighters what they're worth. College educated wrestlers have caught on and are not signing up to be exploited anymore.

It's notable that after Gable Steveson won gold at the Olympics, there was brief talk about him potentially joining the UFC, become a DC 2.0.

Instead, he chose to go to WWE. When that didn’t work out, he tried to enter the NFL, and when that didn’t work either... he decided to go back to college and wrestle there again. Seems like he’s exploring every career avenue except the UFC.
 
It's notable that after Gable Steveson won gold at the Olympics, there was brief talk about him potentially joining the UFC, become a DC 2.0.

Instead, he chose to go to WWE. When that didn’t work out, he tried to enter the NFL, and when that didn’t work either... he decided to go back to college and wrestle there again. Seems like he’s exploring every career avenue except the UFC.
Maybe he can't take a punch?
People here are forgetting how slim a percentage of us psychos see nothing wrong with pugilism for a living.
 
It's notable that after Gable Steveson won gold at the Olympics, there was brief talk about him potentially joining the UFC, become a DC 2.0.

Instead, he chose to go to WWE. When that didn’t work out, he tried to enter the NFL, and when that didn’t work either... he decided to go back to college and wrestle there again. Seems like he’s exploring every career avenue except the UFC.
Great example. Pro-wrestling is legitimately harder than MMA IMO as the schedule is way more grueling, being away from home the vast majority of the year, being entertaining as well as athletic, it's extremely difficult... but it can be very lucrative if one is successful at it so I'm not surprised he went this way.

MMA fighters on the other hand will almost certainly never make big time money even if they were successful. Jon Jones is arguably the MMA GOAT and he is paid far less than even a backup quarterback in the NFL. When the elite professionals in the top organization in your sport still have full time jobs to support themselves... I would really think twice about dedicating your life to this career.

Footing the bill for training, coaches, supplements, nutrition, insurance/medical bills, transportation for your team (they're not paying to fly all of you lol)... it's an incredibly expensive sport to dedicate your life to with a very minimal chance of making it. Even struggling actors have a better chance than MMA fighters... at least landing 1 good role could earn you life altering money whereas in MMA, you could be on the main card of a PPV and still barely net more than a middle class working person's average salary after expenses.

Don't forget a complete lack of pension/benefits so you're essentially attempting to make a lifetime's worth of money in an incredibly dangerous sport in a country that doesn't have free health care lol why the hell would you do it??
 
Wrestling was dropped from the Olympics in 2013 due to dwindling interest and wasn't begrudgingly readmitted until 2016. Right in the midst of this span, the UFC banned outside sponsors and signed the Reebok deal so one of the most significant ways for MMA fighters to make money suddenly vanished. Do you seriously not think this detracts from the appeal of crossing over into MMA?

There is also no other way to make income with wrestling. You can't "go over to Europe" or linger around the minor leagues if you don't make it as a pro... there is no making it as a pro lol.

So with that in mind, if you're a parent raising a child in the United States, why the hell would you steer them towards wrestling as a sport? At best they are going to get a scholarship and earn a degree but making it as a professional athlete? Forget about it.

Genuine LOL @ thinking athletes all chose their sport and that parents don't have a significant impact on what they get enrolled in. Most naive take ever... professional athletes train their entire lives... they don't just pick up a sport one day like a college elective and realize they have a talent for it <lmao> The vast majority of them are pushed from an extremely young age.

MMA seemed like it was on a trajectory to be a mainstream sport in the late 2000s but the pay has legitimately gotten worse since then. The minimum salary in the NFL is $795K a year. NHL is $775K a year, MLB is $720K a year (uncapped potential to earn). Lowest paid player in Premier League is earning 4000 eur a week. NBA is $1.15 MILLION. Now I ask you... what sport would you enroll your child in?

But hey continue to believe that the sport has just magically evolved since the 2010s and that wrestling is suddenly not a successful base for MMA. That 37 year old one dimensional kickboxer who just became a 2 divisional champ sure would walk through any 205er ever, wouldn't he?

Tai Tuvasa may be riding a 5 fight losing streak but goddammit, he's still one of the baddest men on the planet and still worthy of being in the top 10. That talent pool has sure grown hasn't it? <lmao>

I guess there's just not that many big athletic guys around man... it's not like the average weight of a LB is 245 pounds or anything and besides, they're hardly athletic. They're too scared to fight in MMA man, they're pussies for chasing that $3.8 million dollars a year average salary to compete in a real sport ;).

It is absolutely foolish to think that the UFC salaries are as attractive in the US as they are in developing countries. For example, the average annual salary in Georgia is the equiv of $11,000 USD. That's right... they could potentially make more than their entire year's salary just by being on the prelims. Do you think an American fighter can do that?

This is the primary reason why the UFC started heavily marketing themselves as an "international sport" in the early 2010s... it is easier and cheaper to recruit international talent and hype them as "the best in the world" than it is to deal with sports agents in the US. They're essentially outsourcing their talent just like many other industries have.

Unless you love fighting so much that you don't give a crap about earning a living, why the hell would any college athlete from the US consider a career in MMA after the Reebok deal? You'd be damn lucky to even make it to the UFC let alone have a long career and when that's over, then what? You're 10+ years behind all of your peers and starting a new career from scratch? Or you're juggling an MMA career with another job which many of the current UFC fighters are forced to do. Yeah... that's what I call seeing fighters at their best.

If you don't understand that lack of financial incentive has significant impacted the quality of MMA recruitment, you are a desperate UFC schill and beyond hope. Dana White and the Fertittas didn't make BILLIONS of dollars by paying fighters what they're worth. College educated wrestlers have caught on and are not signing up to be exploited anymore.
American wrestlers have been going into MMA since the beginning of MMA. When there was no money, no arenas, no nothing.

Now there is more money to be made than ever before, you think they have, as a collective, suddenly stopped because of lack of money in it? lol

They haven't stopped. As many cross over as ever. Just fewer of them make it to the top now because it's a much deeper pool to swim in.

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You seem utterly confused about how sports work. 99.99999999% of parents don't put their kids into sports to be pros, but because sports are good for kids physically, mentally and socially.

If a kid shows exceptional talent (and/or in the case of American football and basketball, exceptional SIZE), then they might be groomed for a possible pro career. But that's years later, not when they first choose a sport.

Imagine thinking some random kid is being groomed his whole life to be in the NBA from the day he picks up his first basketball. And then he turns out to be 5'7 instead of 7'2 and it was all a waste of time.

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You're probably right about the evolution. A much larger talent pool is surely easier to go through than a much smaller one. That makes total sense <lmao>.
 

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