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Julio Cesar Neves

He can only beat the guys he has in front of him, and he's only 20. I agree that we shouldn't start sucking his dick quite yet but he'll likely get a legitimate opponent next fight. We'll see what happens then.
 
VolkHan said:
I meant if he was 5-0 even against fighters with an aggregate record of 0-10.

Always the guys with big records get the shit., I espected that even for Shlemenko.
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Schlemenko has been fighting legit opponents for years. He actively seeks out the best opponents available
 
Do you know how good you have to be to have 30 fights and not slip up once?? Even if it's not the best competition, to not slip up once in 30 fights as a teenager is incredible. Show some respect.
 
Besides the point that he's 20, so nobody should be skeptical about him facing low-level competition up until this point.

How low of a level of competition he's fought is still overplayed. He's faced guys who were otherwise 29-9, 9-0, 3-0, 5-0, 3-2, 9-7, 3-2, 4-1, 14-3, etc., etc., etc.

If he was 15 or 20 and 0, against that competition the same people would be impressed by him. It doesn't make you somehow worse that you took 10-15 extra fights as a teenager against borderline amateurs for experience and money.

I think some people are trying too hard to look smart by being a skeptic but it's just making them look like idiots instead. And let's face it, some people are just taking what they've heard from other idiots like themselves and then repeating it. The average MMA fan doesn't think for themselves too well, because when they try to their head hurts.
 
As long as he fights someone really legit next its cool but if they go back to someone lesser than Poppies next its a joke, dont care how old he is, he has 30 time fights. Thats plenty of cage experience.

He should be getting someone good next.
 
The commentary even mentioned that in MMA a 30-0 record is seen more as suspicious than as an indicator of ability...

Put away the conspiracy theories.
 
Looked really good so far. Needs to take the next step though to see if we do indeed have a future great on our hands.

Very impressive none the less. You don't go 30-0 by accident.
 
Even if the guys he's beat were sub .5 fighters, who fucking cares?

Is it so bad for a fighter to get practice? The record means nothing unless you the fan attribute something to it. Anyone who judges ability based on those numbers is a fool to begin with.

He looked great against martinez.

the endin was quite weird. that flying knee landed on nothing lol. i think martinez was already done.
 
JonSnitchPhones said:
Besides the point that he's 20, so nobody should be skeptical about him facing low-level competition up until this point.

How low of a level of competition he's fought is still overplayed. He's faced guys who were otherwise 29-9, 9-0, 3-0, 5-0, 3-2, 9-7, 3-2, 4-1, 14-3, etc., etc., etc.

If he was 15 or 20 and 0, against that competition the same people would be impressed by him. It doesn't make you somehow worse that you took 10-15 extra fights as a teenager against borderline amateurs for experience and money.

I think some people are trying too hard to look smart by being a skeptic but it's just making them look like idiots instead. And let's face it, some people are just taking what they've heard from other idiots like themselves and then repeating it. The average MMA fan doesn't think for themselves too well, because when they try to their head hurts.
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Show me those guys with decent records he has faced before Bellator?
He seems legit enough, but the fact remains that he was mostly beating inexperienced, mediocre, or bad fighters. His last fight before Bellator was against a guy who was 0-2, for gods sake. If that doesn't tell you something about the match making, I don't know what will.
 
Does this kid remind anyone else of 'Do Bronx'?

Speaking of which, at first I was against throwing Neves in against tough competition right away because of his age but at 20 Oliveira was already fighting tough guys like Escudero, Miller and Elkins. I think its time for a big step up.
 
flanellograf said:
Show me those guys with decent records he has faced before Bellator?
He seems legit enough, but the fact remains that he was mostly beating inexperienced, mediocre, or bad fighters. His last fight before Bellator was against a guy who was 0-2, for gods sake. If that doesn't tell you something about the match making, I don't know what will.
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why cant you look for yourself?

the guy he fought before that was 8-1.
 
flanellograf said:
Show me those guys with decent records he has faced before Bellator?
He seems legit enough, but the fact remains that he was mostly beating inexperienced, mediocre, or bad fighters. His last fight before Bellator was against a guy who was 0-2, for gods sake. If that doesn't tell you something about the match making, I don't know what will.
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The third guy he fought was 9-0 otherwise. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Renato-Monaco-Tosato-88579

Sixth guy is 5-0 otherwise. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Lucas-Moraes-97285

This guy 7-0. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Guilherme-Alves-Nascimento-117913

I think I erred about the 14-3. There's more like a 12-7.

But most opponents he's fought have a winning record otherwise. The opponent quality isn't THAT bad. Some aren't seeing the forest thru the trees fixating on a recent 0-2 guy for God's sake. That's just how they usually operate in Brasil, sprinkling in losers for pay days and to facilitate volume. If he fought the Chuck Liddell of featherweight 30 times in a couple 2-3 years, he'd be a vegetable as a 29-year old doing it, let alone 19. Why isn't the focus on who he all got thru unscathed, and at 17-20 years old? Also, the dude has self apparent talent. He's a bonafide top prospect.
 
JonSnitchPhones said:
The third guy he fought was 9-0 otherwise. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Renato-Monaco-Tosato-88579

Sixth guy is 5-0 otherwise. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Lucas-Moraes-97285

This guy 7-0. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Guilherme-Alves-Nascimento-117913

I think I erred about the 14-3. There's more like a 12-7.

But most opponents he's fought have a winning record otherwise. The opponent quality isn't THAT bad. Some aren't seeing the forest thru the trees fixating on a recent 0-2 guy for God's sake. That's just how they usually operate in Brasil, sprinkling in losers for pay days and to facilitate volume. If he fought the Chuck Liddell of featherweight 30 times in a couple 2-3 years, he'd be a vegetable as a 29-year old doing it, let alone 19. Why isn't the focus on who he all got thru unscathed, and at 17-20 years old? Also, the dude has self apparent talent. He's a bonafide top prospect.
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Dude, it IS that bad. Obviously winning that many straight, is impressive almost regardless of who you are fighting, but you can't fight that many people in such a short time without fighting a lot of scrubs (and if you could, you probably shouldn't). A couple of guys with decent or even good records doesn't change that. And saying "winning record" is a bit deceiving when we talk about guys that are 7-6 and similar.
Whether he is good or bad really is beside the point. That remains to be seen, but he is looking promising.
Btw, that "boxing" match making just started in the last couple of years, from what I know.
 
whether or not you have 'something to prove' is irrelevant.

youre asking someone else to google something for you instead of doing it yourself when it's readily available on the website you are currently on.

and when you're claiming neves only fights cans, guess what? you do have something to prove. and i dont see how you can make such a claim if you havent seen his opponents which you clearly have not.

you're opinion is uninformed and your arguments have no bearings. he's a 20 yr old guy who has fought many times and won. it's clear he has had quite a few legitimate opponents. even if his opponents weren't 'legitimate', what's wrong with a professional fighter making money by fighting? he's now fighting in the second biggest mma organization in the world and has two wins there so i really dont know what there is to bitch about.
 
Like most of you said.

Going 30-0 is still pretty fucken impressive.
 
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