from my understanding vo2 max is mostly genetic, and i wouldnt be surprised if judokas have better max power for upper body movements since they are primarily throwers aiming to end a match in 2 seconds.
VO2 max is genetics on the extremes, you know Kenyans and these people who win Tour de France, these guys values are around 70-80, these are genetic beasts.
A value around 50-60 can be achieved by pretty much anyone who trains really hard.
There is also a wingate test for peak power in those articles and anaerobic threshold.
If you ask me i think that wrestlers will have a higher VO2 max but judoka will have higher anaerobic threshold, Judo is like HIIT, you are doing basically anaerobic work and then recover in the few seconds when a mate is called.
id be more interested in some sort of intermediate test, not long distance/time but not a maximum burst either, as i think that applies more to MMA
I think the problem with judokas is that they are not used to have rounds and they always go balls in, this is a problem with some wrestlers too, Lawal and Randleman had cardio issues and they were elite wrestlers.
i would say the collegiate wrestler in your hypothetical would win maybe 1/10 matches at most if he knew the rules and was trying aggressively to win
he would probably lose by ippon and not by ippon at an equal rate and be able to stall.
i would say the hypothetical judoka would win at most 1/30 matches at the division 1 level. i would say 25/30 times he would lose by tech-fall or pin.
You are being kinda generous both sides.
The main issue the wrestler would have in a college judo match is the grip fighting, without securing grips there is not much a wrestler would be able to do.
If double legs were allowed, i guess if he surprised the opponent by shooting a double after a mate or right at the start he could secure a ippon, but it would be pretty much a hail mary since the wrestler wouldnt have the grip fighting skills to properly set up a double leg.
judo doesnt have much of an emphasis on throwing and then following the opponent down to a controlled pin.. people throw for ippons, not to land on top of a guy in a pinning combination.
Newaza is a tie-breaking ability between people who win medals and people who dont, there is only so far you will get if you dont have newaza, even if its only 10-20% of the scoring, its a tie breaker, if you know good newaza you have those 10-20% extra opportunity to score.
judo pins are more a result of manuevering after an imperfect throw and advancing to a pin. i think the judokas only chance to win would be to land a good throw and immediately pin the wrestler, which seems like something they would not be used to.. he would have a very hard time advancing position on a wrestler on the mat.
I agree, Judoka in folkstyle is fish out of water.
i think the judoka would be far more physically beat up and look far more foolish than the wrestler. the wrestler might look like he had no clue what he was doing and trip on his own feet or fall down, but they wouldn't be grinded out for 7 minutes like the judoka would (if he lasts that long)
The wrestler would also look foolish and get thrown the moment he tried to engage int he grip fighting, positions that are generally safe in wrestling can be extremely dangerous in judo and that sense of danger is only bred by being thrown repeatedly by the same positions.
Its like boxers ducking and getting kneed or kicked in the head in kickboxing matches, you need to identify the new positions of risks by training.
in freestyle the win rate of the judoka vs the folkstyle wrestler would go up a lot because of the ruleset.
Probably.
furthermore, in MMA, I think the folkstyle wrestler would most likely kick the judokas ass.. in nogi grappling, i think it favors the folkstyle wrestler as well, unless the format is submission only, then i would favor the judoka
Only if the wrestler knew submissions, otherwise you would get a fedor vs randleman or fedor vs coleman.
Doesnt matters though, both have the physical and mental capabilities to properly train MMA, wrestlers do have better coaches in America and asians in general suck at professional combat sports. If judoka start doing MMA its not going to be asian judoka.
