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Judo Ne Waza training vs BJJ training

In my experience, people moving from Judo to BJJ do much better than the other way around. They are able to apply the explosiveness and base they acquired through intense physical training into their ground fighting. People in BJJ have harder habits to break when playing by Judo's rules because the physical stuff is harder to teach. Really, though, the styles compliment each other very well.
Just an opinion

I've seen that among older guys (ie switching to judo in your forties and older is tough because your body won't be happy about being thrown in all the stand-up randori you need to do to get good at judo).

Haven't seen that as a pattern among young guys though, and we get a lot of cross training. Some individuals do better going one way than the other, but overall its pretty even.
 
My club live rolls. Sometimes we'll drill pins and turnovers, or armbars from mount, or guard passes, but as far as learning theory and technique it's pretty much a one-on-one thing with someone who knows what's going on.
 
lol bjj everytime


if you wanna learn how to pin someone and not move for 15 seconds then do that

rolling with judokas is a waste of time

yeah thats why i passed a blues guard and pinned him at my last Judo tourny and won 1 match with an omo from rubber guard. Granted at our club we have alot of purps from BJJ come in and i get them to show me things as well as spending about 50% of my time on groundwork but still its not like judos groundwork sucks.
 
If Kosen Judo still exist, I hope! think its a great threat to BJJ.

Normally rolling with a judoka is more aggressive because they are time pressure but I think because of the fast growing sport which is MMA. Some Judo Dojo are now giving time and emphasis on Newaza Judo which I think will lead to re-birth of Kosen Judo!
 
This is pretty accurate. BJJ'ers are in general (usual caveats of some judoka being world class on the ground, some BJJ'ers being world class in throwing/takedowns :icon_chee) much more sophisticated and smoother on the ground, but less explosive. The judo top game is actually pretty good, but the bottom game is (usually :icon_chee) much, much weaker than that of BJJ.

And judo clubs drill breaking turtles - its arguably the only thing they're as methodical about on the ground as BJJ'ers are. Any competition judoka (as opposed to recreational judoka) will learn three or four turtle break downs (that can be done in 5-10 seconds tops) and drill them as a series of discrete sets until they're as automatic as a throw. The reason for this is of course how common the turtle is in judo, and the very limited time (rarely get more than ten seconds, often only five :icon_sad:) you have to break it down.

Its the one aspect of judo groundwork which is more advanced than BJJ groundwork - the BJJ instructor I trade instruction with says he learned all his turtle breakdowns from judo. There never was the same need for them in BJJ, as you have almost unlimited time to break the turtle, so you don't need the same algorithmic approach.

I agree with this, having done both for 5+ years.
 
That is my understanding as well.

You were taught JUDO but if you wanted to play on the ground more you would play under Kosen Rules.


YouTube - Judo vs. Brazilian Ju Jitsu Groundfighting

YouTube - John Baylon vs Mike Fowler (From Dlsu Judo team)

Again some more vids showing if you mess with the WRONG Judoka you could be surprised.
I admit the results are not typical however it shows that if a Judok devotes time to ne waza they can be very proficient as well.

To assume otherwise is just plain retarded!

Coach Johns a black belt bjj now, haha.
 
From my experience rolling with judoka, of course their throws are excellent (I think my wrestling takedowns are decent as well). But overall I would say they were very strong defensively (impatient or frustrated bjj'ers might call it stalling), and mediocre offensively.

Of course it comes down to how much focus is put on newaza as well.
 
I don't know about Kosen, but I'm pretty sure that with the increasing popularity of MMA and BJJ, more Judokas will see the benefit of being well-rounded.
 
I don't know about Kosen, but I'm pretty sure that with the increasing popularity of MMA and BJJ, more Judokas will see the benefit of being well-rounded.

Judokas will become more well rounded if and when judo rules reward them for it.
 
Judokas will become more well rounded if and when judo rules reward them for it.

I agree, the governing bodies are really biased against newaza, they really just want to show pretty throws in tournaments, I've even heard of the move to ban shooting in. But as I said, as more and more Judokas develop an interest in strengthening their ground game, those organizations will eventually be forced to change their views and rules. Haha, it's cool we chill here when it comes to grappling talk, but then hate your guts back in the War Room, lol.
 
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love to read these articless, I think Kodokan Judo is being focus because of the rules and giving small amount of time in Newaza. Kosen Judo focus more on groundwork because during that time there is no weight class so smaller guys tend to be thrown at all by bigger guys, so they give emphasis to kosen judo and people begin to submitting each other. I think big governing bodies of Judo should held tournaments for judoka to compete in Newaza tournaments
 
I train in kudo and our sensei come from Kosen Judo background teaches us equal amount of time in throws and newaza and sometimes more time given to newaza. But I've never ask him about the situtation of Kosen Judo in our country which is Japan
 
I agree, the governing bodies are really biased against newaza, they really just want to show pretty throws in tournaments, I've even heard of the move to ban shooting in. But as I said, as more and more Judokas develop an interest in strengthening their ground game, those organizations will eventually be forced to change their views and rules. Haha, it's cool we chill here when it comes to grappling talk, but then hate your guts back in the War Room, lol.

Agreed. Trying to make Judo more spectator friendly and accpetable to the Olympics has taken the sport away from what it started as.

I love newaza, but fact of the matter is I need to work on my tachiwaza to more to win tournements. I hate that fact, but its the nature of the beast.
 
Agreed. Trying to make Judo more spectator friendly and accpetable to the Olympics has taken the sport away from what it started as.

I love newaza, but fact of the matter is I need to work on my tachiwaza to more to win tournements. I hate that fact, but its the nature of the beast.

I think if Judo newaza will be given emphasis then Judo is more complete than BJJ. Stand-up and GROUND
 
Agreed. Trying to make Judo more spectator friendly and accpetable to the Olympics has taken the sport away from what it started as.

I love newaza, but fact of the matter is I need to work on my tachiwaza to more to win tournements. I hate that fact, but its the nature of the beast.

Well I think by and large the grappling IS becoming spectator friendly.

Maybe 50 years ago no one really cared about grappling other than Judoka and wrestlers but now there is a whole new audience.
 
theres a couple of guys at my gym who can no longer do stand up because, of injuries. Theyre tough as nails on the ground so i always roll with them half the time we do stand up randori and do stand up the other half.
 
I think if Judo newaza will be given emphasis then Judo is more complete than BJJ. Stand-up and GROUND

You could say the same about bjj if they focused more on takedowns and throws. It's the emphasis that is different.
 
Well I think by and large the grappling IS becoming spectator friendly.

Maybe 50 years ago no one really cared about grappling other than Judoka and wrestlers but now there is a whole new audience.

Agreed, hopfully it doesn't take another 20-30 years to get back to the basics.
 
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