Judo Belts Question

[dza76wutang]

I was wondering:
1.) When do black belts in Judo switch to the candy cane?
2.) What comes after candy cane?
3.) If it is red, like in BJJ, why a white/red pattern instead of a black/red pattern?
4.) How do Judoka ascend through Dan grades (IFBJJ have criteria that are more dependent on time as blackbelt and teaching as opposed to like technical mastery or tournament performance)?
5.) Who's the highest ranking Judoka on sherdog?

 

[johnkreese]

I was wondering:
1.) When do black belts in Judo switch to the candy cane?
2.) What comes after candy cane?

A1: When Willy Wonka says so.

A2: Candy Apple.


Real Answer: Judo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[UWCyclist]

Ranking System and Belt Colors - Judopedia is pretty indepth. As far as what comes after 6th dan (red/white belt) that is up the NGB.

 

[dza76wutang]

Nailed it between those two except for white red/white, is it because the Japanese flag is red & white?

 

[lechien]

Nailed it between those two except for white red/white, is it because the Japanese flag is red & white?

Around 1930 the Kodokan created a new belt to recognize the special achievements of high ranking black belts. Jigoro Kano chose to recognize sixth, seventh, and eighth degree black belts with a special obi made of alternating red and white panels (kohaku obi). The white color was chosen for purity, and red for the intense desire to train and the sacrifices made. The colors red and white are an enduring symbol of Japan, and they have been used in Judo since Jigoro Kano started the first Red and White Tournament in 1884. The kohaku obi is often worn for special occasions, but it is not required to be worn at any time and the black belt remains the standard for all the yudansha ranks. In 1943 the Kodokan created the optional red belt to recognize 9th and 10th degree yudansha.

The Judo Rank System -- Belts

 

[judogido]

1.) When do black belts in Judo switch to the candy cane?
6th dan
2.) What comes after candy cane?
Red
3.) If it is red, like in BJJ, why a white/red pattern instead of a black/red pattern?
No idea. Maybe they flipped a coin.
4.) How do Judoka ascend through Dan grades (IFBJJ have criteria that are more dependent on time as blackbelt and teaching as opposed to like technical mastery or tournament performance)?
Performance in competition. Time in grade. After 6th dan it becomes more "political" or "services to judo" oriented.
5.) Who's the highest ranking Judoka on sherdog?
I'm only shodan. I'm pretty sure I have qualified for nidan (points-wise) but I could not be bothered doing the grading.

 

[Darkslide632]

Judogido, do you ever think you'll promote after shodan? I've had my shodan for like 8 years and haven't done any promoting. Haven't really had the urge or anything. Just wondering if it's common.

 

[judogido]

Black is black, Darkslide. Maybe one day I might be bothered. Only cause it looks good on teh resume.

 

[redaxe]

Black is black, Darkslide. Maybe one day I might be bothered. Only cause it looks good on teh resume.

Maybe it would be helpful if you ever want to teach judo too, no? Is there any requirement that you have to be a certain dan level to teach judo, or to give your students belt promotions?

 

[jiugirl78]

Maybe it would be helpful if you ever want to teach judo too, no? Is there any requirement that you have to be a certain dan level to teach judo, or to give your students belt promotions?

For colored belt promotions (kyu) you must be black belt (shodan or above). For black belt promotions there is a group of 3 or more examiners which all must have a higher rank than the examinee. 6th dan and above there is no belt test. Belts were given to worthy danholders for "political" or "services to judo" oriented reasons like judogido sayed.

You can teach (or assist your teacher) at least independent from your belt rank. But to get the lowest trainer exam you must be at least 1. kyu (brown). The most instructors are actually black belts.

(I'm shodan for almost 3 years and will take my nidan exam at the end of the year.)

 

[judogido]

Maybe it would be helpful if you ever want to teach judo too, no? Is there any requirement that you have to be a certain dan level to teach judo, or to give your students belt promotions?

Nope. Like BJJ - you can be any grade as long as you have coaching accreditation.

You can promote (if you are a certified grader) to one level below yours until 1st kyu - after which all black belts must grade in front of an independent "panel".

 

[Doughbelly]

Black is black, Darkslide. Maybe one day I might be bothered. Only cause it looks good on teh resume.

Shodan and nidan are junior ranks. 3rd or 4th dan is a good place to stop if you're not bothered by higher dan rankings and the political ball of wax that comes with senior dan ranks. At least the rest of the world will recognize these as instructor level ranks.

You might not think it's so important now, but a decade from now, you're going to wish you'd just taken a little bit of time, filled out the paperwork and jumped through the hoops. It doesn't take that much energy and the Japanese won't think of you as a social misfit.

 

[judogido]

I LIKE being a social misfit and I don't give a rat's @ss about what the Japanese guys think.

I know what you mean, though - you are indeed correct. I think 4D is respectable.

 

[Doughbelly]

Heh. That's what I meant. You might like being that guy now, but a decade from now...

Anyway, rank doesn't matter for a lot of people, and that's okay. Unfortunately, the people to whom rank matters are the ones who end up in all the positions to negatively affect you when you get around to butting heads with them. Just like politics and politicians.

 

[Darkslide632]

Shodan and nidan are junior ranks. 3rd or 4th dan is a good place to stop if you're not bothered by higher dan rankings and the political ball of wax that comes with senior dan ranks. At least the rest of the world will recognize these as instructor level ranks.

You might not think it's so important now, but a decade from now, you're going to wish you'd just taken a little bit of time, filled out the paperwork and jumped through the hoops. It doesn't take that much energy and the Japanese won't think of you as a social misfit.

I keep telling myself that I should at least work to sandan... but I just don't have the motivation. Maybe someday.

 

[fourfif**]

I LIKE being a social misfit and I don't give a rat's @ss about what the Japanese guys think.

I know what you mean, though - you are indeed correct. I think 4D is respectable.

my sentiments exactly.

Heh. That's what I meant. You might like being that guy now, but a decade from now...

Anyway, rank doesn't matter for a lot of people, and that's okay. Unfortunately, the people to whom rank matters are the ones who end up in all the positions to negatively affect you when you get around to butting heads with them. Just like politics and politicians.

on the other hand, there's this.....

i.e. maybe if there where more "like minded" people at the sadan level we would still have leg attacks.






















doughbelly:


....you sir, are a wise man. +1

 

[georgejjr]

Its pretty common in some countries not to bother grading after shodan. The Russians in particular have repeat Olympic and world medalists who never went beyond shodan - they have their own master of sport ranks which mean more to them.

And many countries are introducing national coaching ranks into judo (and other sports), which become requirements for teaching instead of belt ranks. Right now that's a good thing, though no doubt they'll eventually become as political as ranks and they'll have to be replaced by something else.

 

[Doughbelly]

Its pretty common in some countries not to bother grading after shodan. The Russians in particular have repeat Olympic and world medalists who never went beyond shodan - they have their own master of sport ranks which mean more to them.

And many countries are introducing national coaching ranks into judo (and other sports), which become requirements for teaching instead of belt ranks. Right now that's a good thing, though no doubt they'll eventually become as political as ranks and they'll have to be replaced by something else.

I thought of the Russians and eastern Euros to whom dan ranking doesn't really matter when I wrote the previous posts. Hey, you win an All-Japan or have a long string of A class wins, no one's going to give you any guff. Most of us, on the other hand, aren't Russian and haven't won a bunch of WC class events. Though I think there's at least one active Sherdogger who has Jr WC points.

For most people, like it or not, right or wrong, dan rank represents is often considered an indirect measure of your commitment to judo.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Heh. That's what I meant. You might like being that guy now, but a decade from now...

Anyway, rank doesn't matter for a lot of people, and that's okay. Unfortunately, the people to whom rank matters are the ones who end up in all the positions to negatively affect you when you get around to butting heads with them. Just like politics and politicians.

What do you mean "in a decade from now" ?
You mean if ever he decides to get more involved on an "official" level ?