Social Joy Reid Defends Books with :eek::eek::eek::eek:philia in Public School Librairies

[GearSolidMetal]

I am trustworthy, and didn't report you. There are two mods in this thread: can you add two and two?

And they're not a mod that gave me the dubbs.
My post was reported.
By you.

 

[Sinister]

the framing of the left is atrocious. kids are being groomed into a cult and we've got NPCs yammering about civil rights like it's like a civil rights issue to oppose the grooming of children.

There are people who are different than you, some are not the same color as you, some do not have the same sexual preferences or attractions as you, all should have the same rights as you so long as they have not violated the law, and despite your cries that the law should criminalize their very existence. Get the f*ck over it.

 

[icemun]

the cult tells them to defend the grooming of kids in k-12 and without a moments thought they do it, that's why this thread is 450+ posts.

ffs wake up and look at what side you're on! they're stealing the innocence and minds of your children.

lol!
for real?

how many kids been executed in schools this years??

 

[CatchnShoot]

Funny coming from a guy who thinks that gay porn being taught in schools is educational for children.

It was a joke, inbred, it was supposed to be funny. .... so what you should be saying is... Touche, or Well done brother Goon.

 

[CatchnShoot]

In schools? Pretty sure religion was banned in public schools awhile ago.

Do you believe that there aren't copies of the Bible in nearly every public school library? Moreover, is THAT what you think "keeping religion out of public schools" refers to?

 

[GoldenWolf87]

Text can very much be pornographic material. And there's a big difference between saying you were raped and depicting it via text.

This is pornographic, from the book they were referencing:

The above passages are scenes of a young boy giving oral sex and being anally penetrated by a family member.

And historical events which are disputed or are based on narratives created by small amounts of evidence should not be taught to our children. We see it today where people have started discounting people like Thomas Edison, because in school they were constantly told he was this genius inventor who did everything. But people claim today that he stole most of his scientific work. I think it's fine to teach about Thomas Edison, about what history says he has invented, etc. But we need to do it from a completely unbiased and well-researched background and given the caveat that history can and has been manipulated by the winners. But now, we have school departments that skew 50:1 in terms of political preferences. How could we possibly get unbiased and well-balanced information from them? It's like trying to get an unbiased religious education at a Christian school. It doesn't make sense. So we are better letting kids explore history and narratives on their own and make up their minds, rather than have an extremely biased group of teachers present the 'whats and whys' of history.

Such content would have being likely banned in other places..
Considering the language of the content of these books.


I am surprised that some of these are being cited as "teaching material"

 

[brothir]

Especially when its true.

No, regardless.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You’re straight up lying. Stop framing this argument in any other way.

???

there you go again, lying.

So you're accusing me of lying because I asked you to stop lying about my position. But you were! You asked me if I thought the decision should be left up to kids, and I said no, it should be left up to people hired to make the decisions. And then you kept insisting that I think it should be left up to kids. Also, I said that your view that we shouldn't leave it up to people whose job it is because they might not make approved decisions was authoritarian, and you made up some crazy shit about me thinking that voting is authoritarian. If you disagree with my real positions, that's fine, but what is the point of lying about my views?

 

[Jack V Savage]

How about just descriptive oral and anal rape of a young child? Maybe we can start there. I doubt 99% of movies and books contain such content?

Almost all books and movies other than ones specifically targeted toward young children contain some depictions of sex.

 

[irish_thug]

And they're not a mod that gave me the dubbs.
My post was reported.
By you.

Your posts were not reported. They were observed.

 

[CatchnShoot]

I don't know why it's got to be all or nothing. It is entirely possible that cunts 4 liberty gets one right once in a while. To me, the book in question absolutely does not belong in a public school library, but there are many, MANY books that very much DO belong there that they also seek to remove. It seems like ANYTHING with anything to do with LGTBQ issues is on their shitlist, but that is just homophobic in extremis.


For me, the LGTBQ component is irrelevant to the discussion as it relates to the appropriateness of the material for a public school. As a test, ask yourself if you would be OK with the particular scene written for a hetero couple? If it wouldn't pass muster for a depiction of a straight couple, it shouldn't for ANY coupling.... and it should be withdrawn.

If, however the scene would be perfectly fine if it were between a straight couple, then it's fine for an alternative couple. If not, it's you that has the problem.

btw: I meant to add.... if any of my three kids saw the cover of that book they'd all give it a hard pass. They aren't trying to sneak anything past the goal keeper, and this stuff isn't "turning kids gay" if that's your objection.

 

[irish_thug]

another friendly reminder that we have hundreds of posts defending school materials involving anal sex, dildos, rape, erotica, and kink being given to children.

This is why I'm pro-home schooling.

 

[CatchnShoot]

This is why I'm pro-home schooling.

lol.... the 1st like is from a poster-child for the failings of education. Too funny.

 

[Rob Battisti]

???

So you're accusing me of lying because I asked you to stop lying about my position. But you were! You asked me if I thought the decision should be left up to kids, and I said no, it should be left up to people hired to make the decisions. And then you kept insisting that I think it should be left up to kids. Also, I said that your view that we shouldn't leave it up to people whose job it is because they might not make approved decisions was authoritarian, and you made up some crazy shit about me thinking that voting is authoritarian. If you disagree with my real positions, that's fine, but what is the point of lying about my views?

Youre lying in that you claim I said people can’t make judgments for themselves.

We literally agree on how this should be handled 100%.

You just keep claiming I’m authoritarian and that I don’t think people can make judgments for themselves. That is a lie.

 

[brothir]

Youre lying in that you claim I said people can’t make judgments for themselves.

My impression was that he thought school librarians or the administration generally were the ones who should decide what books are available, that they'll further almost always get it right in terms of avoiding completely objectionable content, and that these "nuisance suits" by activist groups are deleterious by and large.

 

[Rob Battisti]

My impression was that he thought school librarians or the administration generally were the ones who should decide what books are available, that they'll further almost always get it right in terms of avoiding completely objectionable content, and that these "nuisance suits" by activist groups are deleterious by and large.

Yeah except he never actually states his real thoughts and talks in vague circles while accusing others of not clarifying.

For the 90th time, adults can read and expose themselves to whatever they want.

Children in public education should have content curated by librarians under the direction of a school board voted upon by the community.

For this opinion, I’m accused of being authoritarian.

 

[brothir]

Yeah except he never actually states his real thoughts and talks in vague circles while accusing others of not clarifying.
For the 90th time, adults can read and expose themselves to whatever they want.
Children in public education should have content curated by librarians under the direction of a school board voted upon by the community.
For this opinion, I’m accused of being authoritarian.

What does "the community" here mean, specifically? Is it state, county or even more local?

 

[Rob Battisti]

What does "the community" here mean, specifically? Is it state, county or even more local?

See, a very fair question.

I would say it depends on the way the state has their educational curriculum set up. Generally, I’d be in favor of the local school board to be overseers in this case not the feds or state itself.

Some counties only have a county board so I’d generally want it as local as possible.

 

[spamking]

But elementary school ranges from 5 to 13 years old. A book for 7th-graders can have violence in it that's inappropriate for the youngest, and how do you resolve that? Either you accept that students can theoretically have access to material that's beyond their age, or everything has to suit the youngest.

Many of the younger grades will often be in a classroom that has it's own library. While I'm not sure what the school's policy is for library use is, I do know that she has a mini-library in her classroom for her 3rd graders. Saves them from needing to to the library to get a book.

 

[spamking]

If you guys want to discuss these topics, do not make accusations that other users are s/groomer/or on their side. There is an absolute zero tolerance on this you will be carded. If you can not have these discussions without making these sorts of accusations, I suggest you avoid these threads.

I'm so glad I completely missed the previous incidents that resulted in the need for something like this . . .