Social Joy Reid Defends Books with :eek::eek::eek::eek:philia in Public School Librairies

[Islam Imamate]

Winning awards doesn't mean it's not pornographic in nature. In the US, it is illegal to expose someone under the age of 18 to pornography. Doesn't matter if it won an AVN award or not.

Its not pornography just because the text includes references to sex, at the end of the day its still a memoir and its not illegal to expose a kid to a memoir.

And yes, they should be exposed to a variety of subjects. However, school doesn't have a monopoly on that (especially in today's Internet age), and you make the assumption that they are exposed to ideas in a fair and balanced manner, which is a horrible assumption to make given the extremely overrepresented left leanings of teachers in non-STEM subjects.

So you don't think history should be taught in schools because teachers might be biased?

 

[shockaholic12]

Does it need to?
Can the point be made without the graphic descriptions of incestial rape?

Or do you just want children to be exposed to that material?

How about you expose your own kids to that content.




And you act like complicated & graphic situations must be role-played within the minds of young children for that point to get across.

6 Year Olds don't need to read 'Girl With The Dragon Tatoo' to learn its best to avoid being anal raped.

No said show every kid a revenge flick stop being a straw man drama queen.

That's exactly how kids learn. Go read some kids books, they all feature characters experiencing situations and details are given of these situations so they children gain understanding and context.

No kids book about eating healthy is just pictures of high nutrient food items. They all tend to show a character kids can relate to sourcing, preparing, consuming healthy food with their family and feeling great don't they?

Even math is taught to kids with role playing scenarios. Did you get home schooled?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Again, I haven't read gender queer but I think it's about those things specifically happening to the author. Who is not me. Certainly not any more or less than I'm Leda.

And I'll have to take your word about what light any explicit scenes in Gender Queer are presented in, but genuinely Leda's afair with a swan and subsequent delivery of 2 eggs wasn't looked down on. Her husband embraced his hatchlings like his own.

I don't know if this makes things better, but certainly serves my point that there was some WILD shit on the shelves when we were kids.

none of the "wild shit" served as encouragement for young minds.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Its not pornography just because the text includes references to sex, at the end of the day its still a memoir and its not illegal to expose a kid to a memoir.

So you don't think history should be taught in schools because teachers might be biased?

And if the goal is to prevent people from learning anything that might lead them to reject conservatism, STEM is still off the table, as it's like 5-1 liberal/conservative in STEM fields, and more extreme at more elite institutions. We should just have people study only the Bible (the clean version, natch) and The Art of the Deal.

 

[Scheme]

Its not pornography just because the text includes references to sex, at the end of the day its still a memoir and its not illegal to expose a kid to a memoir.

So you don't think history should be taught in schools because teachers might be biased?

Text can very much be pornographic material. And there's a big difference between saying you were raped and depicting it via text.

This is pornographic, from the book they were referencing:

The above passages are scenes of a young boy giving oral sex and being anally penetrated by a family member.

And historical events which are disputed or are based on narratives created by small amounts of evidence should not be taught to our children. We see it today where people have started discounting people like Thomas Edison, because in school they were constantly told he was this genius inventor who did everything. But people claim today that he stole most of his scientific work. I think it's fine to teach about Thomas Edison, about what history says he has invented, etc. But we need to do it from a completely unbiased and well-researched background and given the caveat that history can and has been manipulated by the winners. But now, we have school departments that skew 50:1 in terms of political preferences. How could we possibly get unbiased and well-balanced information from them? It's like trying to get an unbiased religious education at a Christian school. It doesn't make sense. So we are better letting kids explore history and narratives on their own and make up their minds, rather than have an extremely biased group of teachers present the 'whats and whys' of history.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

No said show every kid a revenge flick stop being a straw man drama queen.

Your side is who's strawmanning here, claiming we're 'banning books' when we don't want kids to be exposed to graphic sexual content.

That's exactly how kids learn.

Kids are smart, and they can put things together without things being spelled out to them, graphically.

They don't need to be exposed to books containing graphic anal rape by a parent to automatically conclude that's wrong.

No kids book about eating healthy is just pictures of high nutrient food items. They all tend to show a character kids can relate to sourcing, preparing, consuming healthy food with their family and feeling great don't they?

Are you saying sex books for kids need pictures?

 

[Loiosh]

What do you mean?

Too complicated to answer from work, I'll get back to you later.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

This is pornographic, from the book they were referencing:

1. Everyone that defends this material being in schools, including high school... if you're not a gr**mer yourself you're on the side of gr**mers who want young minds being exposed to this filfth.

2. If you want it exposed to your own kids, by all means gr**m your own kids.

/EndOfThread.

 

[brothir]

Winning awards doesn't mean it's not pornographic in nature. In the US, it is illegal to expose someone under the age of 18 to pornography.

Then you should be satisfied already.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Then you should be satisfied already.

Well, he wants to re-define pornography to be a lot broader than it currently is. 95% of movies and 99% of books would fit.

 

[brothir]

1. Everyone that defends this material being in schools, including high school... if you're not a gr**mer yourself you're on the side of gr**mers who want young minds being exposed to this filfth.

What do you mean by "this material"? Any one piece of literature can be discarded from consideration based on low quality regardless of any controversial subject matter. However, high school included 18-year olds, who can legally read anything. That means that literature that includes sexual abuse of children is entirely within limits and can be used as part of curriculum. Also you should be banned for calling people that word.

 

[spamking]

I think the core issue here that doesn't get talked about is that there's a huge divergence in values from the average GOP voters and professionals in certain fields and especially in education and publishing. And so what seems to your average librarian or school administrator a suitable book that broaches important subjects in an age appropriate manner is to a conservative parent very scandalous.

This definitely varies around the country. Many of those same average GOP voters fill the librarian and school administrator roles and are often not the people bringing this up and causing a stink. Many times it's the busy-bodies who don't even have kids in a school system.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

What do you mean by "this material"?

If you read those pages and still have no idea what is meant by 'this material' you're lying.

However, high school included 18-year olds, who can legally read anything.

Then their parents can buy it for them.
And 'high school students' includes 13 year olds.

 

[spamking]

Laughing...."The Bukkakestained bears"...that was golden

Is golden really the right color?

 

[brothir]

If you read those pages and still have no idea what is meant by 'this material' you're lying.

Oh dear, you're not very smart. Did you mean "this specific book" or "any book that contains similar subject matter and description of it"? Respond to the rest of my post as well, please.

 

[brothir]

Then their parents can buy it for them.
And 'high school students' includes 13 year olds.

They could probably buy it for themselves if push came to shove. And "high school students" includes 18-year olds as well, which you didn't consider.

 

[Seano]

What do you mean by "this material"? Any one piece of literature can be discarded from consideration based on low quality regardless of any controversial subject matter. However, high school included 18-year olds, who can legally read anything. That means that literature that includes sexual abuse of children is entirely within limits and can be used as part of curriculum. Also you should be banned for calling people that word.

He didn't call anyone "that word", you ridiculous dork.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Oh dear, you're not very smart. Did you mean "this specific book" or "any book that contains similar subject matter and description of it"? Respond to the rest of my post as well, please.

You're the one who claims you have no idea what is meant by 'this material.'

If anyone here needs their intelligence questioned, its you.

And the balls on you to just respond to 'this material' while ignoring this part of my post -

"if you're not a gr**mer yourself you're on the side of gr**mers who want young minds being exposed to this filfth."

 

[GearSolidMetal]

They could probably buy it for themselves if push came to shove. And "high school students" includes 18-year olds as well, which you didn't consider.

Yes, I do consider they can go and buy those books for themselves. And you're not considering, or haven't bothered to address, that 13 year olds will be exposed to that pornographic content in libraries.

 

[brothir]

He didn't call anyone "that word", you ridiculous dork.

He's using a censored version of it and implying that people in this thread would qualify for thinking a book could belong in a high school library. That qualifies as far as I'm concerned. Feel free to respond to the rest of my post.