Jones snitching vs real snitching parallel

[The Merchant]

I see. But what can USADA do about that ?

Is that their job to begin with ?

What I'm basically asking is can an ordinary organization like them decide to start busting people for dealing steroids ? Who gives them that authority ?

I'd assume they can't cause no matter how much I think someone is in the wrong I can't just start playing Batman.

I imagine they work with law enforcement or FDA or whatever the name is to bring the suppliers to "justice"

"USADA will continue working with law enforcement and regulatory agencies in Brazil to investigate the operations of the offending pharmacies." this is from their report on the "tainted supplement"

https://ufc.usada.org/compounding-pharmacies-supply-tainted-supplements-behind-three-positive-tests/

 

[One MMA Fan]

Maybe it's just words to cover up some massive bribe they got, here take this loop hole and run with it.

It's like you get El Chapo and he starts ratting on his underlings to get out faster, wtf.

 

[dim_]

What I'm basically asking is can an ordinary organization like them decide to start busting people for dealing steroids ? Who gives them that authority ?

its pretty simple really. USADA have worked side by side with the feds on numerous occasions

Never heard of BALCO?

 

[ClosetVitorFan]

The whole reason why I don't believe this whole Jones snitch business is the last thing you do when you have a snitch, is announce to the world that they are in fact a snitch, lol. Common sense people. Anyone associated with Jones that has any illegal dealings will distance themselves from him. The only thing that may be believable is that Jones already snitched on someone past tense. And it was good enough for USADA to reduce his sentence. Which I also don't believe. I think the cover story of Jones turning snitch to get a reduced sentence is a contrived out that was made up by usada and the UFC so Jones wouldn't get a 4 year suspension. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. USADA = corrupt.

 

[boss429]

Is selling all steroids illegal? Like is testosterone illegal as well ? This is a legit question cause as far as I know Dana and Rogan are juicing freely.

The thing that really cracks me up is that USADA has no power at all. Like 0.

Sooooooooooo... Jones would inform USADA which informs the UFC who inform the Athletic commission which informs the Police that then inform the FBI ?

Yeah selling them all is illegal. You can only legally obtain them through a DR.

 

[TheScorpionDude]

its pretty simple really. USADA have worked side by side with the feds on numerous occasions

Never heard of BALCO?

I just Googled BALCO, it says it's basically a supplement shop that was investigated by the Feds.

Jones didn't give a statement or info to the FBI, he gave info to USADA.

So can USADA broker snitching ? I don't think it works that way.

They can't give him guarantees cause they have no authority.

All they can do as far as I know is do tests, flag fighters and give out "punishment" that the UFC may or may not abide by. But as far as I know they can't enforce anything unlike the Athletic commission.

 

[Flex Plexico]

The only bigger names he can snitch on

- If somehow Dana White is involved
- If Joe Rogan sells stuff on during his podcasts
- If the head of USADA somehow is caught for something
- Arianny's cards are spiked
- Donald Trump ?

-Diego Sanchez has been abusing cigarettes for almost two years

 

[TheScorpionDude]

Maybe it's just words to cover up some massive bribe they got, here take this loop hole and run with it.

It's like you get El Chapo and he starts ratting on his underlings to get out faster, wtf.

Great analogy.

 

[Vegesus44]

I came into this thread thinking that you were going to spin it for John somehow, I was very disappointed,

thank you!

 

[2004 account]

USADA ufc is the biggest farce in mma history. Downright corrupt shit.

 

[TheScorpionDude]

I came into this thread thinking that you were going to spin it for John somehow, I was very disappointed,

thank you!

Dude what are you talking about, I'm a Jones hater 4 life!

 

[Vegesus44]

Dude what are you talking about, I'm a Jones hater 4 life!

 

[dim_]

I just Googled BALCO, it says it's basically a supplement shop that was investigated by the Feds.

Jones didn't give a statement or info to the FBI, he gave info to USADA.

So can USADA broker snitching ? I don't think it works that way.

They can't give him guarantees cause they have no authority.

All they can do as far as I know is do tests, flag fighters and give out "punishment" that the UFC may or may not abide by. But as far as I know they can't enforce anything unlike the Athletic commission.

USADA will 100% share information with the feds and work in conjunction with them in anything like that.

Feds do the legal stuff, IRS do the paper trail, USADa handle the sporting aspect.

As long as one of the three get the conviction everyone is happy.

Balco was very much a joint investigation. USADA covering the sporting aspect, Conte's customers such as Marion Jones etc, while the IRS and Feds handled the financial and trafficking side. Everyone shared information to everyones benefit.

Same with Armstrong case, that was a federal enquiry. Armstrongs charity petitioned senators to shut it down and they squashed it on superbowl weekend. So Novitizy used the information they had gathered and the interviews and leveraged the people involved into talking to USADA instead. So while the federal case got scuppered, instead USADA took it over as a sporting case.

(thats a lot of the reason Jeff left the feds, that case getting shut down was ten barrels of bullshit)


but feds, IRS and USADA have a lot of contact and frequently work together. If information given to one can help another they will share it. If one path of investigation gets blocked (like the armstrong case), then they will use another path of investigation using a different body.


If for instance Jones gave info on NFL trafficking ring, that would involve USADA, IRS and Feds..

Feds would handle the trafficking side, IRS would do the financial side, and USADA would ban everyone involved from sport.

If Feds couldnt get their case to stick they would help the IRS get their case, if they couldnt they would both help USADA hand out sporting penalties.

As long as someone gets it they are happy. theres more than one way to skin a cat

 

[xP]

I don't think the USADA cares more about getting big draws. How much of a draw you are shouldn't/doesn't matter to them.

Jones probably snitched out a distributor/camp and perhaps tipped them off to their methods so they know what to test for., which could lead them to busting multiple people.

 

[TheScorpionDude]

USADA will 100% share information with the feds and work in conjunction with them in anything like that.

Feds do the legal stuff, IRS do the paper trail, USADa handle the sporting aspect.

As long as one of the three get the conviction everyone is happy.

Balco was very much a joint investigation. USADA covering the sporting aspect, Conte's customers such as Marion Jones etc, while the IRS and Feds handled the financial and trafficking side. Everyone shared information to everyones benefit.

Same with Armstrong case, that was a federal enquiry. Armstrongs charity petitioned senators to shut it down and they squashed it on superbowl weekend. So Novitizy used the information they had gathered and the interviews and leveraged the people involved into talking to USADA instead. So while the federal case got scuppered, instead USADA took it over as a sporting case.

(thats a lot of the reason Jeff left the feds, that case getting shut down was ten barrels of bullshit)


but feds, IRS and USADA have a lot of contact and frequently work together. If information given to one can help another they will share it. If one path of investigation gets blocked (like the armstrong case), then they will use another path of investigation using a different body.


If for instance Jones gave info on NFL trafficking ring, that would involve USADA, IRS and Feds..

Feds would handle the trafficking side, IRS would do the financial side, and USADA would ban everyone involved from sport.

If Feds couldnt get their case to stick they would help the IRS get their case, if they couldnt they would both help USADA hand out sporting penalties.

As long as someone gets it they are happy. theres more than one way to skin a cat

No but you are missing my point/question.

I realize that the FBI can cooperate with anyone and everyone.

So if the FBI told USADA, guys, the next one you catch, send him to us. We'll do a deal, cut the sentence, bla bla bla... I get that scenario.

But in this instance, USADA is the one giving the "protection" for Jones's snitching. Like they are cutting deals now?

As funny as it sounds, even in movies when the cops tell the criminal let's cut a deal, the criminal would be like nah fuck that I want to hear from the district attorney

 

[dim_]

No but you are missing my point/question.

I realize that the FBI can cooperate with anyone and everyone.

So if the FBI told USADA, guys, the next one you catch, send him to us. We'll do a deal, cut the sentence, bla bla bla... I get that scenario.

But in this instance, USADA is the one giving the "protection" for Jones's snitching. Like they are cutting deals now?

As funny as it sounds, even in movies when the cops tell the criminal let's cut a deal, the criminal would be like nah fuck that I want to hear from the district attorney

this is even what the USADA regulations state

the information must lead to either

1) Anti doping charges brought against other persons

or

2) criminal charges brought against other persons

or

3) professional misconduct charges brought against another person



Usada's sole role is trying to fight towards clean sport. They really dont care how that is achieved. If it is ADRV's (anti doping rule violations) great, if it means the feds shutting down a steroid ring, great, if it means a doctor that has been supplying ped's getting his licence revoked, great..

As I say, more than one way to skin a cat, USADA arent that narrow minded that they dont have a multitude of options that all reach the same end goal.

and its happened countless times.



USADA have given jones a reduction specifically for information "that contributes towards clean sport"..

it just has to contribute towards clean sport, that doesnt mean that ADRV's have to follow. If the feds busting a steroid ring contributes towards clean sport then that satisfies USADA





If Jones information leads to the Feds raiding a premisis and shutting down a steroid manufacturing facility that 100% is a contribution towards clean sport, and would be enough to satisfy USADA's requirements.

You really need to look at the bigger picture.

 

[Dionysian]

edit: wrong thread sorry

 

[Turf Skirmish]

Why fail ?

Almost half the fighters get caught for testosterone. Is it illegal ?

Yes, they are illegal, at least without a prescription. Why do you think people get arrested for steroid possession? The OP tried to play it like 'roids are completely legal and available like soft drinks, but that the UFC, so some unnecessary reason, decided to ban them in-company.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

 

[rb3b3]

Should NFL players be nervous now? Im sure chandler and jon have had numerous conversations about who is juicing in the nfl and where they get the peds from. Everyone shud turn a cold shoulder to the entire jones family for jon being a snitch!