Jones Making the Same Mistake as Conor

[CPH]

he beat the brakes off Max for 15 minutes straight

No, he did not. Watch the fight with that 8 minute window in mind and note when Conor takes the fight to the ground. Soon after that, he tweaks his knee and spends the rest of the fight smothering Max.

Significant strikes landed by Conor in the first 8 minutes: 40

Significant strikes landed after that: 13

..so no, Conor did not 'beat the brakes off Max for 15 minutes'.

 

[Captain Herb]

Maybe jones is showing his striking clips to get gane thinking about his striking.

Maybe he's showing his striking clips so Gane won't worry about his striking

 

[Cat Biscuits]

Absolutely all of Jones' successes (as well as Conor's @ FW) were because of his enormous size/reach differential for his weight, compared to his opponents.

Agreed. Jones made a career out of bullying smaller people and keeping them at distance with a huge reach and height. He was great at distance control, but less than average in the actual aspect of striking skills.

I can't remember one time thinking "man, Jones has incredible striking" in any of his fights. All I could ever think of is "he couldn't get away with that if he wasn't so tall/long."

 

[mmacrisis]

The difference between Conor and Jon is that Conor had one skill, striking. Jones on the other hand has really good grappling, wrestling, take down defense, is a complete fighter. We have no idea how Jon will look in the cage because it has been so long.

 

[Captain Herb]

With Jones thou, I would not be surprised if he posted them specifically, to lure first opponent into a trap, assuming Jones is an easy stationary target.

Except that Jones is an easy stationary target. He stands flat-footed, plods forward, and when he gets caught he runs straight backwards. When fighting good strikers his own length, he gets hit a lot. Gane is not a good striker, he is a great striker and these tendencies will be even more pronounced at HW where he will be even slower and trying to conserve as much energy as possible. Gane is going to have an absolute field day if Jones can't get it down.

 

[Viking Power]

TS I actually read your whole statement.
I’m a bit confused - you start by stating that Conor had success because of his style, then end with saying he had success because of his length advantage at FW.
I also don’t get what you think someone should do if they want to move up in weight class if you think putting on muscle is the wrong move…is the BJ Penn burrito method better?
I do agree that Conor’s love of boxing and change of style for the Floyd fight and onward has hindered his MMA success. He’s got plenty of other things to blame though…lifestyle being the primary culprit.
As far as Jones goes, his biggest problem will be that he is older and decided it was a good idea to spend a big chunk of prime years contemplating his navel. I mean WTF Jon? You’ve got pro athlete brothers. You witness what it takes and know that the window of opportunity is short. Straight arrogance. Of course Conor has plenty of that too.

 

[Asahi]

If you actually watch Jon Jones' attempted "boxing techniques," he is making the same mistakes as Conor McGregor.

McGregor used to be a free-flowing, multi-dimensional karateka, with a very wide stance, and unpredictable movements. Gradually, over time, McGregor began to "body-build" — while simultaneously trying to build "more muscle" — in addition to developing "a tight boxing stance."

Virtually all of McGregor's embarrassing losses have come from this shift.

Jon Jones is making the same mistake. He not only looks stiff and slow in his videos, but he actually winds his hands back, prior to punching. Absolutely forced, amateurish boxing technique.

IMO, Jones is making the exact same mistake Conor McGregor did:

1. Getting enamored with "muscles"
2. Thereby moving up in weight;
3. And then trying to be "a boxer" (when he doesn't have the aptitude).

And, similar to Conor, I predict Jones will similarly get KTFO for his bad choices.

Absolutely all of Jones' successes (as well as Conor's @ FW) were because of his enormous size/reach differential for his weight, compared to his opponents.

As soon as those were removed, so too did all of the losses come raining down.

Mark my words.

As great as he was at LHW, Jones will be humiliated against Gane at HW.

I think your reading to much into this. Say what you will about Jones boxing, overall his stand-up is both creative and effective. Having said that, Gus 2 will be the blueprint regardless.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

I think your reading to much into this. Say what you will about Jones boxing, overall his stand-up is both creative and effective. Having said that, Gus 2 will be the blueprint regardless.

You're

Was

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

he beat the brakes off Max for 15 minutes straight

Lol. Well that settles it, he out-pointed a skinny 21-year old once so every data point we have since that points in a different direction is moot.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Thats what i think. Maybe jones is showing his striking clips to get gane thinking about his striking. He will strike for a little, but he will eventually tie up gane and take him down. Jones has really high fight IQ.

He’s definitely going to take the fight to the ground if he needs to and can, but posting clips of striking is pretty standard promotional fare so I don’t think we should read anything strategic into it. Gane absolutely knows that he needs to stop the takedowns.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Your right Jones needs size advantage. But he could still get a points win against Gane.

I think that's about the least likely way for jones to win. I cant see him outpointing gane on the feet, He'll have to hold him down the entire fight to win a decision.
I think Gane gets the TKO in 3

 

[dipstickjimmy]

1. McGregor began to "body-build" — while simultaneously trying to build "more muscle"

2. As soon as those were removed, so too did all of the losses come raining down.

Mark my words.

As great as he was at LHW, Jones will be humiliated against Gane at HW.

1. This is redundant. Body building literally = building more muscle.

2. This literally makes no sense. You state something was removed and then connected it with losses Which would be removed (aka "so too") but you say they came raining down.
Try rewriting something like "As soon as those physical advantages were removed, the losses come raining down."
Mark my words.
65%

 

[tomjones]

I think that's about the least likely way for jones to win. I cant see him outpointing gane on the feet, He'll have to hold him down the entire fight to win a decision.
I think Gane gets the TKO in 3

I hope your right, but Jones has never lost. He always finds a way to win.

 

[Royce's Gi]

Imagine if Cyril wins over Jones via Romoplata/Homerplata or even Rio de la plata.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I hope your right, but Jones has never lost. He always finds a way to win.

I know it sounds Cliche, But this time it's different. Jones has no punching power, it's an important deterrent to have at HW he wont be big enough to just bully his way to victory anymore. He has been declining over his last 6 fights, He's 3 years older, In foreign HW territory, With a completely different camp and coaching staff. He will have to fight the best fight of his entire career at this point to beat Gane. Cyril IMO, Is the smartest and most well rounded HW on the roster today. If it were someone like blaydes with big holes in his striking game or Stipe someone who is older and slower I just might give jones a chance. but for him to come back after so long and have a career defining performance, I just don't see it happening. It's been way past Jones bed time. He gets tucked In at UFC 285.

 

[GBcrazy]

I don't think having more muscles is going to impact his perfomance, but it is important to note that Jon Jones has been declining for a long time now, no surprises if he loses

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

1. This is redundant. Body building literally = building more muscle.

2. This literally makes no sense. You state something was removed and then connected it with losses Which would be removed (aka "so too") but you say they came raining down.
Try rewriting something like "As soon as those physical advantages were removed, the losses come raining down."
Mark my words.
65%

Your chosen handle suits you.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

If you actually watch Jon Jones' attempted "boxing techniques," he is making the same mistakes as Conor McGregor.

McGregor used to be a free-flowing, multi-dimensional karateka, with a very wide stance, and unpredictable movements. Gradually, over time, McGregor began to "body-build" — while simultaneously trying to build "more muscle" — in addition to developing "a tight boxing stance."

Virtually all of McGregor's embarrassing losses have come from this shift.

Jon Jones is making the same mistake. He not only looks stiff and slow in his videos, but he actually winds his hands back, prior to punching. Absolutely forced, amateurish boxing technique.

IMO, Jones is making the exact same mistake Conor McGregor did:

1. Getting enamored with "muscles"
2. Thereby moving up in weight;
3. And then trying to be "a boxer" (when he doesn't have the aptitude).

And, similar to Conor, I predict Jones will similarly get KTFO for his bad choices.

Absolutely all of Jones' successes (as well as Conor's @ FW) were because of his enormous size/reach differential for his weight, compared to his opponents.

As soon as those were removed, so too did all of the losses come raining down.

Mark my words.

As great as he was at LHW, Jones will be humiliated against Gane at HW.

personally, i welcome either outcome. i would love to see Jones shut every noob up and wrestlefuck his way to a HW championship. I also wouldn't mind Jones getting shadow realm'd finally. no expectations. but Jones will win.

 

[Genisys]

Some people think he lost the first fight and his reach advantage meant nothing. He destroyed Alex in the second fight, not because of any size advantage.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

personally, i welcome either outcome. i would love to see Jones shut every noob up and wrestlefuck his way to a HW championship. I also wouldn't mind Jones getting shadow realm'd finally. no expectations. but Jones will win.

Appreciate your sentiments.

IMO, Jones will be emasculated.

He's had such a great run, and been such an asshole the entire way, that a devastating comeuppance is "in the air" ... and he's earned it.

Again, Mark My Words