Jones is at the exact phase of his career Fedor was getting besmirched in Strikeforce

[Mind Mine]

I will say it respectfully. I will refrain from saying things like aint no way Jones gets faced down assed up by any form of MW Hendo. I will not address being beaten to pudding by Bigfoot. The skill and conditioning Jones has displayed at this age is superior than what we saw from the Fedor that came to the US. Is there any strong argument that can be made between the two other than asterisks? Bear in mind I was kind and didn’t mention getting beaten half to death by Brett Rogers before narrowly escaping

 

[Fact Checker]

I love Jones, but Fedor wasn’t taking off years at a time due to PED suspensions… he was in the trenches his whole career.


Don’t be a casual.

 

[Mikeyz]

I think he's already the Undisputed GOAT. But if he sticks around for 2 more fights and beats Aspinall and Poatan, I think that will forever cement him as the GOAT.

I think it's going to be impossible for someone to come along and top Jones accomplishments.

 

[Mind Mine]

I love Jones, but Fedor wasn’t taking off years at a time due to PED suspensions… he was in the trenches his whole career.


Don’t be a casual.

That is a fair point I just present entertaining questions in an entertaining manner

 

[Mind Mine]

I love Jones, but Fedor wasn’t taking off years at a time due to PED suspensions… he was in the trenches his whole career.


Don’t be a casual.

I will say again though sherbro there is no way he gets beaten by the caliber of opponent Fedor was battered by

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

Fedor had more fights against the highest competition in 4-5 years than Jones has had his entire career.

 

[Mind Mine]

Fedor had more fights against the highest competition in 4-5 years than Jones has had his entire career.

I think if we compare the top 10 of each it would tell a competitive tale. The fact is by the time Fedor was 32 he was a shell

 

[Mind Mine]

Fedor had more fights against the highest competition in 4-5 years than Jones has had his entire career.

I don’t even believe a 45 year old Jones loses to prime Bigfoot or Hendo to be quite honest friend

 

[Fact Checker]

I will say again though sherbro there is no way he gets beaten by the caliber of opponent Fedor was battered by

Could be a point, but we’ll never know since Fedor wasn’t fighting opponents while enhanced.


If Fedor was given the privilege of juicing while fighting guys following a strict set of rules then I’m sure he would’ve looked like the terminator.

Jones always had Dana, the UFC brass, and corrupt scumbag Jeff Novitzky covering his tracks for a big part of his career.

I’m being reasonable and fair in my argument since you seem to be eager to discredit a legend.

 

[AfroBanana]

Wasn’t Fedor turning 33 and Jon is turning 38? At this point. Fedor was getting his head knocked off by Maldonado at this point if age is the basis.

Also Jon would be ridiculed for fighting Goodridge, Lindland, 40+ Coleman, Hendo, Rizzo and others.

He would get laughed off if he fought pro wrestlers and smaller / fat Japanese cans as filler between sparse title defense.

Fedor is my HW GOAT, this is apples and oranges tbh.

Also SF and Bellator have terrible testing policies no need to mention anywhere else he fought where they don’t exist or cheating was encouraged. Overeem was being fed steroids by the guy who was testing him there and immediately popped in the UFC (fighting everywhere Fedor did juiced to the gills)…….. we never seen Fedor in a stringent testing environment. Just M-1 propaganda.

HW’s seemed to have infinite cardio and ability in PRIDE that vanished in orgs that tested.

 

[Mind Mine]

Could be a point, but we’ll never know since Fedor wasn’t fighting opponents while enhanced.


If Fedor was given the privilege of juicing while fighting guys following a strict set of rules then I’m sure he would’ve looked like the terminator.

Jones always had Dana, the UFC brass, and corrupt scumbag Jeff Novitzky covering his tracks for a big part of his career.

I’m being reasonable and fair in my argument since you seem to be eager to discredit a legend.

I am just not the guy to talk steroids to Ive had a cycle of TRT or 20 in my life. Felt wonderful and if I was a fighter and could extend my career and get away with it a fight’s a fight. I don’t care. You can’t make me. The rules are simple no bite no nuts. Anything else other than eyes I don’t give a solid fuck

 

[Sms_productions713]

I love Jones, but Fedor wasn’t taking off years at a time due to PED suspensions… he was in the trenches his whole career.


Don’t be a casual.

Hear me out when i say this... dont you think when fedor did have the can fights ( yes he was still the best even doing so) cant taking yhose kinda fights here and there, be counted as sitting at home? I mean, beating the zulus and hong man choi does not raise stock one bit. He might as well just been sitting at home on the couch himself

 

[The-AxeMurderer]

I don’t even believe a 45 year old Jones loses to prime Bigfoot or Hendo to be quite honest friend

Hes not even gonna fight at that age. So we'll never know.

Fedor fought at like 46 almost 2 years ago.

Also Fedor is clearly not a natural HW. Thats why huge dudes like Bigfoot were tough for him.

 

[Fact Checker]

Wasn’t Fedor turning 33 and Jon is turning 38? At this point. Fedor was getting his head knocked off by Maldonado at this point if age is the basis.

Also Jon would be ridiculed for fighting Goodridge, Lindland, 40+ Coleman, Hendo, Rizzo and others.

He would get laughed off if he fought pro wrestlers and smaller / fat Japanese cans as filler between sparse title defense.

Fedor is my HW GOAT, this is apples and oranges tbh.

Also SF and Bellator have terrible testing policies. Overeem was being fed steroids by the guy who was testing him there and immediately popped in the UFC (fighting everywhere Fedor did juiced to the gills)…….. we never seen Fedor in a stringent testing environment.

Bringing balance to the argument, I have to counter some of the disingenuous claims you’re making that somehow Fedor had a cake career… again he wasn’t taking multiple years off in his prime dude to multiple Steroid suspensions, he was fighting every few months as a heavyweight during the Golden Era of the division.


You’re also quick to discredit Fedor as if Jones wasn’t fighting and struggling against bottom of the barrel guys like Thiago Silva, Reyes, OSP, Anthony F’ing Smith, etc… lol absolute softballs.


There’s a ton of fluff on Jones record. Lets be reasonable.

 

[BrockLesnarsTurtleBack]

You’re also quick to discredit Fedor as if Jones wasn’t fighting and struggling against bottom of the barrel guys like Thiago Silva, Reyes, OSP, Anthony F’ing Smith, etc… lol absolute softballs.

All of those guys are actually super high level MMA fighters. A lot of the guys Fedor was fighting weren't even close to UFC caliber when it comes to skillset. Landing armbars on guys who have trained submission defence for 6 months isn't that impressive lol.

 

[killakillakilla]

Ehh Jones might be the goat in terms of accomplishments but watching Jones has never been close to as entertaining as it was to watch prime fedor.

 

[Fact Checker]

Hear me out when i say this... dont you think when fedor did have the can fights ( yes he was still the best even doing so) cant taking yhose kinda fights here and there, be counted as sitting at home? I mean, beating the zulus and hong man choi does not raise stock one bit. He might as well just been sitting at home on the couch himself

No different than fighting bottom of the barrel guys in title fights like Santos, OSP, Reyes, Anthony Smith etc.


What’s worse is Jones struggling against these guys lol. Lets be honest, he’s had the company protecting his “Pulsing” and somehow always got the controversial toss up decision… Santos, Gus 1, Reyes, and even his illegal knee against Smith could’ve all been L’s.


UFC darlings always seem to get the nod… been a strange occurrence for years now lol

 

[djacobox372]

I guess Sugar Ray Leonard sucks because he never won a fight after 33yo.

Ali as well, he was completely washed up at 38.

Fighters age differently. Guys like jones who use technique and defense and have a lot of long layoffs last longer. It's also especially helpful when a fighter gets to handpick their competition as their physical skills erode.

 

[AfroBanana]

Bringing balance to the argument, I have to counter some of the disingenuous claims you’re making that somehow Fedor had a cake career… again he wasn’t taking multiple years off in his prime dude to multiple Steroid suspensions, he was fighting every few months as a heavyweight during the Golden Era of the division.


You’re also quick to discredit Fedor as if Jones wasn’t fighting and struggling against bottom of the barrel guys like Thiago Silva, Reyes, OSP, Anthony F’ing Smith, etc… lol absolute softballs.


There’s a ton of fluff on Jones record. Lets be reasonable.

PRIDE had a tiny roster. I’m sure if you fed Jon a CM Punk, Samoa Joe, Shaq, washed up 90’s fighters / kickboxers and Japanese guy with a losing record every other fight. Even an OSP is a big step form a lot that stuff. Fedor had some great fights against top guys but his level of competition took a massive nose dive when he wasn’t fighting the main 3 guys. MMA was a bit thin back then and new talents were stagnant. Shame he never fought Barnett. It was just how it was back then with 2 orgs with shallow talent rosters.

 

[Dionysian]

PR accounts are so fucking lazy and transparent here.

We get it TS... Jon is great and he displaces the non-UFC threat to GOAThood because he beat a retired firefighter, a fight that was demanded by absolutely no one that wasn't a TKO employee.

Now get your new posts ready when the Aspinall fight falls through and you echo DW lines about how Jon "doesn't want the fight"