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Jon Jones' UFC career officially over?

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pick999 said:
No one ever beat jon.i say that's good way to end ufc career
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Three fighters beat Jon Jones:
  • Gustafsson (the first time they fought).
  • Santos
  • Reyes
UFC judging is just rigged (like all professional fighting sports).
 
herp derp
Jones' haters have the most well used imaginations ...
It's all they got outside of TMZ themes
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Coexist said:
Haha...case and point
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Dont have to be a Jones hater to understand the media and fans seen Jones as the loser of the Reyes fight by a significant %. If you want to pretend Joe Soliz has a better grasp of MMA judging then the average fan enjoy that fantasy
 
xhaydenx said:
The idea that Jones has no chance comes due to the fact that he didn't look as amazing fighting guys closer to his own size than when he was fighting the smaller, less athletic guys that were a bit past their primes.

It's a weird take because he did still look good enough to compete with the guys closer to his physical and athletic level, and whether people like it or not, he beat all of those he faced as well, so he certainly had the skill to go along with it.

I think the idea that he couldn't compete with the HWs is a bit far-fetched. He has the skill. HWs aren't as skilled as LHWs in general. The size and strength of someone like Francis or Gane is going to cause problems though. There's no comparative jump between two neighboring divisions like there is between LHW and HW as its a lot more than 10-15 pounds.
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Oh, I don't disagree with you.
But that's the thing... Jon is unbeaten!
I mean, he has a loss in his record but we both know it was bullshit.

yes, HW is a different animal, but people can't simply ignore his skills... these people claiming he has zero chances are IMHO blind haters spewing their wishful thinking rather than using their brain.
 
Captain Herb said:
DC may have been healthier at LHW but his advantages in fighting were at HW because of his relative speed there. His chin and KO power were also good for HW. (We know Jon has no power in his hands and we don't know if his chin would hold up there). No one looks that great just before retirement, and probably has something to do with why they did retire. Conversely, Jon looked slow and sluggish putting on all that weight and his body proportions were a little comical. He was probably right all these years, saying he belonged at LHW. As for Gane, I would hardly call him a neophyte, he's something like 10-0 MMA and 15-0 Kickboxing
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compared with 26-1?
That's 2.5 fights for every one Gane had... and Gane fought scrubs in those 10 as well, so there's that as well.
And while it is true that Jon is untested at HW, how tested is Gane, trully? How many wars has him being at?
Jon has been in wars. He tore his fucking toe in half and wanted to continue!@!!

Sorry, I think you are counting him out far too easily!
 
I think Jones was most likely going to beat Ngannou and him having a "narrow path" is nonsense it was the opposite. Ngannou had to get the KO early or he'd be easily drowned in a 5 round decision. That being said Jones can't do this to Gane and if he does it's going to be a high difficulty thing like it'd have been with Rakic or Jiri. I can see Jones having made the HW move specifically with Ngannou and Stipe in mind and Gane changing Jones calculations entirely.

But Jones likely knows if he retires it probably looks worse than losing to Gane and I doubt he'd do it. Also going back to 205 will be at least as difficult once the new generation takes the belt from Glover. So he's really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. But if he gets it done it'll be even harder for the hater community to deny Jones is GOAT. Gane is considerably harder than anyone else at HW so if he gets through Gane he will likely never face a serious threat again it's just one fight.
 
After such a tremendous and prolific start to his UFC career, it's been disappointing to see him pissing away his remaining best years due to inactivity.
 
Captain Herb said:
If Gane takes apart Frank--and I believe he will--Jones' UFC career will be officially over imo. Before you start saying 'I knew he wasn't coming back anyway', yeah, I know, I was probably saying that before you, but there was still that 0.5% chance that he might surprise everyone and make good on his word to fight Francis for the belt. At least with Ngannou, he has a narrow path to victory--run around the cage for a few rounds and hope Francis gasses enough to use some grappling without too much risk. But with Cyril, he has no chance of victory. None. Zero. Gane is proven at heavyweight and matches Jones strength for strength and does it all much better. Even if Jones tried some Hail Mary take downs, he would almost certainly get shrugged off and lit up. There's no way Jon wins that fight, he knows it and it will be the nail in the coffin for his HW "dreams". I predict that shortly after Gane's victory, if that is what happens, he will announce his retirement. After all, he never said he would fight Gane, just Ngannou, so with Francis out of the title picture, it would be a great time to slip out the back door with a least some of his pride still intact.
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I think Jones ideally wants Stipe for a main event. It won't surprise me if he takes that over a title fight.
 
Shaddows said:
compared with 26-1?
That's 2.5 fights for every one Gane had... and Gane fought scrubs in those 10 as well, so there's that as well.
And while it is true that Jon is untested at HW, how tested is Gane, trully? How many wars has him being at?
Jon has been in wars. He tore his fucking toe in half and wanted to continue!@!!

Sorry, I think you are counting him out far too easily!
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I'll never question his heart, he does have heart, but I don't think he knew his toe was almost ripped off until Joe pointed it out. If I remember the moment right he just stared at it looking like he was going to pass out. Also, not to nitpick, but Jon didn't rip his toe almost off, Chael did and should have been awarded the injury TKO. The ref just missed it.
 
DestinedAussie said:
I think Jones ideally wants Stipe for a main event. It won't surprise me if he takes that over a title fight.
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In that case, he should just fight a bum that he knows for sure he can beat. Maybe Stipe is that bum, I'd like to see it, or any fight at HW at this point.
 
Captain Herb said:
I'll never question his heart, he does have heart, but I don't think he knew his toe was almost ripped off until Joe pointed it out. If I remember the moment right he just stared at it looking like he was going to pass out. Also, not to nitpick, but Jon didn't rip his toe almost off, Chael did and should have been awarded the injury TKO. The ref just missed it.
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sorry, but your hate makes you blind.
Whether Chael inflicted or not, whether the fight should have stopped or not is irrelevant.
You don't have your toe the way that was and "don't notice". That's just silly.

Fact is: Jon obviously felt the injury. he did not know how bad it was, but he still managed to finish and win.
 
Shaddows said:
Oh, I don't disagree with you.
But that's the thing... Jon is unbeaten!
I mean, he has a loss in his record but we both know it was bullshit.

yes, HW is a different animal, but people can't simply ignore his skills... these people claiming he has zero chances are IMHO blind haters spewing their wishful thinking rather than using their brain.
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Yeh, I don't count him out. I just think that while he's certainly more skilled than most HWs, the size and power would just end up being too much. Skill only gets you so far, unfortunately.

I mean, look at a guy like Lewis. With his skill level, if he were at the lighter weights he'd be a regional can getting KOd every second week, but at HW he can be top 3 just because of his power.

Jones is skilled and all, but the power of some of these guys might just make all his skill largely irrelevant.

I doubt we'll ever find out what Jones could do at HW. He well and truly priced himself right out of ever fighting there.
 
Shaddows said:
sorry, but your hate makes you blind.
Whether Chael inflicted or not, whether the fight should have stopped or not is irrelevant.
You don't have your toe the way that was and "don't notice". That's just silly.

Fact is: Jon obviously felt the injury. he did not know how bad it was, but he still managed to finish and win.
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I assumed it was the adrenalin that masked the pain
 
xhaydenx said:
Yeh, I don't count him out. I just think that while he's certainly more skilled than most HWs, the size and power would just end up being too much. Skill only gets you so far, unfortunately.

I mean, look at a guy like Lewis. With his skill level, if he were at the lighter weights he'd be a regional can getting KOd every second week, but at HW he can be top 3 just because of his power.

Jones is skilled and all, but the power of some of these guys might just make all his skill largely irrelevant.

I doubt we'll ever find out what Jones could do at HW. He well and truly priced himself right out of ever fighting there.
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True.
But Jon's real talent has been avoiding getting hit by KO-power guys.
he was able to neutralize every single fighter that fought against him.

So why would you think he will be more hittable at HW?

Again, I DON'T KNOW how he will fare. But the only thing we have in hands is how he was never in trouble against guys much faster than those HW's.
so unless he loses a ton of mobility with his new weight, I am not really worried about him getting tagged. Can happen, but IMHO he has great reflexes and fight IQ to not get KTFO.
 
Captain Herb said:
I assumed it was the adrenalin that masked the pain
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it always does... but you should know by how many fighters get injured and how many continue fighting that even adrenaline does not take all pain away.
IMHO he felt enough of the pain to increase his output and put Sonnen away before the end of that round.
 
For you to say one of the greatest mixed martial artist to ever compete, if not the greatest. Has a zero percent chance of victory in any MMA bout, it shows your ignorance and bias against Bones.

Not only was this statement ludicrous, but you claim a man who has never even fought a UFC champion, and currently has just 10 professional MMA bouts in his life has a 100% chance of victory versus Jon Jones, it’s just laughable at best.
 
Even if Jones ever fights HW, is it even a good idea? It's already been 2 yrs since his last fight, by the time he faces the winner of Francis/Gane, it will likely be 3 yrs since Jones last fought. Add to that, it will be the 1st time he's ever fought carrying around 265 lbs (or whatever weight it is he's aiming for). If he does fight, I definitely think it's just for 1 last payday, he's not gonna stick around after
 
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