John Dodson needs to be quiet

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This guy is talking trash about Jimmie Rivera "ducking him". Dodson is 2-2 in his last 4 fights and arguably outside the top 10 at 135, having lost both his fights against top 10 fighters. Rivera on the other hand is top 5 in the division, and looking to move up.

This is a classic situation where a win over Dodson does very little for Rivera, so there's really no motivation for him to take a fight against Dodson.

And credit to Dodson, both his losses were split decisions and he's a tough fighter. However, that just makes this situation less appealing for Rivera -- a fight against Dodson is high risk, low reward. Fighters need to respect that no one "owes" them a fight, unless you're the #1 contender challenging the champion. If you want someone to fight you, work your way up and put yourself in a position where you're blocking their path to the title.
 
John going full manlet as usual...

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Match makers need to speak up and cutout most of this hand picking
 
Fahcough said:
Match makers need to speak up and cutout most of this hand picking
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The problem is the precedent was set long ago by McGregor, and many fighters are following suit now. And one thing Dana White is right about is that you "can't force anyone to fight anyone".

However, a rule change could potentially solve that. You could create a contract clause in which matchmakers are legally allowed to table a formal fight offer to their contracted fighters. If a fighter declines the bout, they officially get credited with a loss by withdrawl on their records. This would burn one of their fights on the contract, but you wouldn't have to pay them.

I've always felt there should be some tangible penalty for declining a fight. However, that wouldn't help situations like this. You'd need to give them 12+ weeks notice for such a contractual clause to be fair. That way they have plenty of time to prepare, and there's really no excuse for declining the fight.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
The problem is the precedent was set long ago by McGregor, and many fighters are following suit now. And one thing Dana White is right about is that you "can't force anyone to fight anyone".

However, a rule change could potentially solve that. You could create a contract clause in which matchmakers are legally allowed to table a formal fight offer to their contracted fighters. If a fighter declines the bout, they officially get credited with a loss by withdrawl on their records.

I've always felt there should be some tangible penalty for declining a fight. However, that wouldn't help situations like this. You'd need to give them 12+ weeks notice for such a contractual clause to be fair. That way they have plenty of time to prepare, and there's really no excuse for declining the fight.
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When you have a boss that tells you a job to do, then you can't turn it down.
Company is looking like scared whipping boys taking a back seat to employees.
 
to be fair his two loses were very close fights that could of gone either way .
 
peterparker66 said:
to be fair his two loses were very close fights that could of gone either way .
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Yup -- I think I mentioned that in the post at the end (sorry I know it was a long post :S). That's why Dodson is a dangerous fighter -- he could very well beat Rivera, which makes this fight high risk, low reward. A win does very little for Rivera, so there's not much incentive for him to take the fight.
 
Fahcough said:
When you have a boss that tells you a job to do, then you can't turn it down.
Company is looking like scared whipping boys taking a back seat to employees.
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Yup. That's why the UFC should change their contracts so fighters can't refuse fights 12 weeks or more away from the event, and if they do, they officially get a loss and one fight burned from their contract without pay. However, forcing fighters to accept short notice fights is a little more shady. PRIDE used to do that, and I really wasn't a huge fan of that.

In this Rivera situation, I really blame the UFC. They should have doubled Rivera's pay to keep the fight on the card. Giving him more money for accepting a short-notice bout with Dodson would probably be enough to entice him to take the fight. I mean he went through a full camp -- he probably doesn't want to waste that. But the UFC can't expect fighters to take low reward fights... so up the reward.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
Yup -- I think I mentioned that in the post at the end (sorry I know it was a long post :S). That's why Dodson is a dangerous fighter -- he could very well beat Rivera, which makes this fight high risk, low reward. A win does very little for Rivera, so there's not much incentive for him to take the fight.
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sorry I did read your post but I must of glossed over were you mentioned that , I re read your post and I see your point you were making but If Jimmy was happy to take on Marlon who is equally as dangerous he should also be willing to put it on the line against Dodson .
 
I can tell you didnt watch either of his split decision losses. He certainly beat Moraes no question but the Lineker fight was a tough call. I personally gave it to Lineker but could see it the other way too. You're out of your mind thinking Dodson didnt deserve the fight with Rivera. Dudes a vet of the sport and could push the pace on Rivera. Would've made 135 also.

Alpha_T83 said:
This guy is talking trash about Jimmie Rivera "ducking him". Dodson is 2-2 in his last 4 fights and arguably outside the top 10 at 135, having lost both his fights against top 10 fighters. Rivera on the other hand is top 5 in the division, and looking to move up.

This is a classic situation where a win over Dodson does very little for Rivera, so there's really no motivation for him to take a fight against Dodson.

And credit to Dodson, both his losses were split decisions and he's a tough fighter. However, that just makes this situation less appealing for Rivera -- a fight against Dodson is high risk, low reward. Fighters need to respect that no one "owes" them a fight, unless you're the #1 contender challenging the champion. If you want someone to fight you, work your way up and put yourself in a position where you're blocking their path to the title.
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He still ktfo Dillashaw. So he can talk as much as he wants.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
Dodson is 2-2 in his last 4 fights and arguably outside the top 10 at 135, having lost both his fights against top 10 fighters. Rivera on the other hand is top 5 in the division, and looking to move up.
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This doesn't mean Dodson isn't being ducked.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
This guy is talking trash about Jimmie Rivera "ducking him". Dodson is 2-2 in his last 4 fights and arguably outside the top 10 at 135, having lost both his fights against top 10 fighters. Rivera on the other hand is top 5 in the division, and looking to move up.

This is a classic situation where a win over Dodson does very little for Rivera, so there's really no motivation for him to take a fight against Dodson.

And credit to Dodson, both his losses were split decisions and he's a tough fighter. However, that just makes this situation less appealing for Rivera -- a fight against Dodson is high risk, low reward. Fighters need to respect that no one "owes" them a fight, unless you're the #1 contender challenging the champion. If you want someone to fight you, work your way up and put yourself in a position where you're blocking their path to the title.
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UFC doe. Rankings? Lol
 
Alpha_T83 said:
The problem is the precedent was set long ago by McGregor, and many fighters are following suit now. And one thing Dana White is right about is that you "can't force anyone to fight anyone".

However, a rule change could potentially solve that. You could create a contract clause in which matchmakers are legally allowed to table a formal fight offer to their contracted fighters. If a fighter declines the bout, they officially get credited with a loss by withdrawl on their records. This would burn one of their fights on the contract, but you wouldn't have to pay them.

I've always felt there should be some tangible penalty for declining a fight. However, that wouldn't help situations like this. You'd need to give them 12+ weeks notice for such a contractual clause to be fair. That way they have plenty of time to prepare, and there's really no excuse for declining the fight.
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And what if it's a Covington/Usman situation? Colby gets penalized for wanting no part of a fight that does absolutely nothing for him. It's lose/lose so he shouldn't be shamed with an imaginary loss. The UFC already treats their fighters bad enough, this would make it even worse. Fighters are just social media crybabies nowadays. Anderson ducked Dan Henderson to the point that he left and went to strikeforce. I never heard Dan crying about it like fighters nowadays. The only situation where I'd think your idea would be ok is for champions, because champs shouldn't get to turn down fights, period.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
The problem is the precedent was set long ago by McGregor, and many fighters are following suit now. And one thing Dana White is right about is that you "can't force anyone to fight anyone".

However, a rule change could potentially solve that. You could create a contract clause in which matchmakers are legally allowed to table a formal fight offer to their contracted fighters. If a fighter declines the bout, they officially get credited with a loss by withdrawl on their records. This would burn one of their fights on the contract, but you wouldn't have to pay them.

I've always felt there should be some tangible penalty for declining a fight. However, that wouldn't help situations like this. You'd need to give them 12+ weeks notice for such a contractual clause to be fair. That way they have plenty of time to prepare, and there's really no excuse for declining the fight.
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Orrrrrrr what if they kept offering the same fight over and over again, said fighters won't get any other fights. They won't make any money so they would eventually have to accept.......crazy idea I know
 
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