Joe Schilling sucker punching drunk guy

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Courts are super weird like that. It shouldn't be enough but it’s about what you can prove. Courts also weighs in intoxication pretty hard, making the drunk dude more dangerous etc... This will probably end in a settlement.

My perception has always been they lean pretty heavily against the person who committed assault, even if it's halfway justified. I could see it ending up in a settlement though if Joe has the money.

 

[arcadeperfect]

This is not how it happened.

Joe shoves the guy out the way from the back instead of saying "hey excuse me" like a normal person.

The drunk guy probably felt some way and said something like a normal person. "Hey man you could've said excuse me."

Joe turns around, says something, the guy attempts to walk forward to probably get into Joe's face to confront him about whatever Joe said and and Joe hits the dude. The camera is completely blocked from what the guy did but still even if the guy was a threat who rushes a threat? You're supposed to get distance between a you and a threat. So the fact Joe felt comfortable enough to get in that guy's face throws away any "he was a threat" argument. If that guy was Ngannou, Jiri, Overeem, Stipe, Whittaker, etc Joe Shilling is getting distance from them not getting in their face because they are real threats. Joe in this situation did the shit because he felt he could not because the guy was a threat.

Whoever says the guy was throwing a punch at Joe is lying. At the worst you can say the guy was attempting a headbutt because his head is the only thing that came forward.

If that guy was any of the guys you listed I guarantee you Joe is apologizing and acting a whole lot different lol.

 

[emefer]

Would like to know who recorded this.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

sorry, you can't push someone to the side, say something back, walk back towards them and then claim self defense, especially as a trained fighter against a much smaller untrained drunk dude hanging with his girl. again, the situation was so heated and escalated his girl didn't even turn around......

People seem to think the courts are easily tricked or have to follow some weird logic where everyone is equal. The fact that Joe is a much larger pro fighter makes it a lot worse for him, people defending him don't seem to get that.

 

[bjjHERRERA]

well, stitch that guy up- schilling is a ass for doing that btw

 

[kflo]

He didn't necessarily need to defend himself, but the drunk guy looked to be raising his fist as a threat of punching him, he took it as an excuse to start an unfair exchange I guess.

nowhere do you see him raise a fist. the only hand we see moves about half an inch and isn't in a fist.

 

[HunterAcosta]

That guy could 100 sue Jos and press charges. That would be assault cause he can’t claim self defense as he could have reasonably walked away under eyes of law and not really mutual combat . Plus Joes a pro fighter . Cout wouid def look at that .

 

[kingmob6]

If i get into a fight everytime someone bumps at me at the bar, I would be doing life in prison now lol
That was a straight up assault.

 

[lsa]

sorry, you can't push someone to the side, say something back, walk back towards them and then claim self defense, especially as a trained fighter against a much smaller untrained drunk dude hanging with his girl. again, the situation was so heated and escalated his girl didn't even turn around......

yeah to claim self defence you cant walk back.
If you where cornered then yes.
The minute you walked the self defence argument was lost.
Also self defence against what?
Did the guy hit him? Did the guy grab him?`
Did the guy raise his first or push him?
No? So what was he defending against?

 

[arcadeperfect]

Not gonna lie the background music makes this funnier than it should be even though Joe's a POS.

 

[tech99]

Well good thing this isnt what happened cuz it isnt lol.


Did u miss the guy lunge forward and how schillings hands were down and open when he turned around standing in a non fight stance ..

Theres a video and people still cant get the events straight

It’s literally what happened. He does a 180 to come back and punch the guy in the face. Not only that, but he shows no signs of being threatened or fearful of the guy which would justify self defense. He is 100% the aggressor and just wanted an excuse to knock someone out.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

sorry, you can't push someone to the side, say something back, walk back towards them and then claim self defense, especially as a trained fighter against a much smaller untrained drunk dude hanging with his girl. again, the situation was so heated and escalated his girl didn't even turn around......

It goes both ways ...

Thats why self defense/assault cases form either side can be hard to prove sometimes...

From a defense position turning around and facing someone whos yelling at u from behind..isnt aggressive ...neither is standing still with ur hands down...it addressing a potential threat...which gets confirmed when buddy lunges then joe reacts with violence .

On the assault side, joe could of kept walking but your client is incoherently drunk during this situation and did yell/provoke an altercation/confrontation off of bumping into someone walking by...


iMO this case wouldnt make trial and is likely thrown on or dismissed both played apart in it and one party was intoxicated

 

[kflo]

yeah to claim self defence you cant walk back.
If you where cornered then yes.
The minute you walked the self defence argument was lost.
Also self defence against what?
Did the guy hit him? Did the guy grab him?`
Did the guy raise his first or push him?
No? So what was he defending against?

he was scared. he was in grave danger.

but joe is ready to face his fears, whether its in a ring, a cage, a parking lot, or a bar. hey joe, i got a new tshirt idea.........

 

[Reign009]

Joe is not a young kid. He should know better. The little guy was really no threat to him and Joe initiated it.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

What does him being a professional fighter have anything do with a bar altercation..its irrelevant and could be seen an prejudice in a court room...he is human like anyone else and can be hurt or killed in a bar fight just like anyone else... This isnt a sport related case so his job has no bearing...had it been in a gym and he attacked during sparring or something sure...

But this is a wide open scenario that could of gone many different ways..just cuz the guy ended up on the floor doesnt mean hes innocent..


And im.english speaking...i just type fast on my phone lol

Obviously it matters who does it. The judge will take circumstances and context into consideration. Excessive force as well. Since this was no clear case of self-defense, him being a professional kickboxer will definitely matter.

Also, you type worse than people who learn English as a third language.

 

[smooth assassin]

If Joe schilling really felt threatened, than maybe he’s a paranoid schizophrenic and should be tested and possibly admitted for hospitalization for his own good

 

[arcadeperfect]

Could you really go to jail over a minor shit like that? I mean, if there's no severe brain trauma, skull fractures and stuff.

Lol in North America you're going to jail for that shit 100%. The only way you could get away with this is if you were assaulted first.

 

[agibmxmma]

Claims it was self defense can't see how, looks he even instigating it by pushing the guy rather obnoxiously.

Guy could've said "I will kill you", "I will murder you", etc etc.. for him to be the agressor. He obviously started it by saying something to make Joe turn. I'm glad more Pro Fighters, current and ex, are smacking people in the mouth with soft shit. Many in society today think they can get away with talking shit and acting like a douchebag, because of liquor and entitlement. Talk shit, get hit.. that rule applies to all, regardless.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

It’s literally what happened. He does a 180 to come back and punch the guy in the face. Not only that, but he shows no signs of being threatened or fearful of the guy which would justify self defense. He is 100% the aggressor and just wanted an excuse to knock someone out.

Ur missing out key facts...

Ur describing a situation closer to jorge vs leon then the reality here..

Watch again..several times even and look closely

 

[No Skill Gap]

The one thing I can say after watching the video 20 times in a row now...lol

Is that Joe Schilling's initial "push/shove" was not bad at all. He did not use any real force to push this guy, it was a relatively light and gentle "I'm here, move out of my way" gesture.

The smaller guy was moving into Schilling and he was actively moving closer towards the table...out of his walking path to avoid the small guy at first. So if there's any silver lining for Schilling it's that.

Everything after that + the suspiciously timed filming with a perfect angle (it wasn't the KO'd guy's friends doing it apparently) looks terrible. The push wasn't though.

Then again we're talking about a 4-5 MMA guy, who gives a fuck. Perry was more justified in his citizen KO on god lmao