JJ gameplan ... was there any?

[hlehle]

I remember JJ's first fight after moving to ATT and it was bad ... she won with KK but it wasn't as dominant as expected and JJ was almost knocked out in 4th.
I thought that's because of the movement and JJ just need to adjust to the new camp.

Now I think it's clear we see JJ 2.0 - no clinch game, no elbows, no knees, no front kicks, still no power punches ... at the same time lower speed.
Where was the plan B? She was clearly loosing exchanges and she has't even try to clinch. KK was able to wreck Rose in clinch, Joanna should do it also. I though it was an obvious tool to be used against Rose ...

I don't know much about her current coaches but are they really as bad as it looks like or it's just Joanna being more and more delusional and out of touch?

 

[Arm Barbarian]

Leg kicks

 

[kuka45]

I don't know much about her current coaches but are they really as bad as it looks like or it's just Joanna being more and more delusional and out of touch?

Probably both.

 

[Spoken]

leg kicks to slow the pop. Avoided clinch because of TDs, I'd imagine

 

[hlehle]

leg kicks to slow the pop. Avoided clinch because of TDs, I'd imagine

She has much better TDD than KK and Rose wrestling is not close to Gadelha , Esparza or Andrade.

 

[Johnnny]

Outstrike her with quantity not quality, thereby winning a decision point-fighting like Bisping.

 

[DarkneT]

Outstrike her?

 

[KoreanZawmbie]

She looks amazing against inferior strikers...Carla, Jessica Penne

 

[Spoken]

She has much better TDD than KK and Rose wrestling is not close to Gadelha , Esparza or Andrade.

good point. But long limbs and height different can help with clinch TDs. But still, Rose has never shown fantastic TDs.

He height might have been the variable with the clinch then

 

[MEAN357]

looked like the same shit she does in every fight. She just ran into someone whos got her number

 

[HHJ]

she had the clinch game against KK and Andrade. Rose just seemed too strong here.

 

[teamfox223]

I was really hoping Joanna will use the clinch more, she's really good in the clinch with short elbows and knees, It worked well for Karolina why not try use it too ?

 

[Askafan]

I can understand why she left Arrachion but it turned out to be a terrible decision, if she continues she needs to move to a smaller gym and get more involved in her own gameplanning with a coach with more time, there are too many fighters at ATT.

 

[hlehle]

She looks amazing against inferior strikers...Carla, Jessica Penne

... at the same time Rose look like shit against Carla.

I was really hoping Joanna will use the clinch more, she's really good in the clinch with short elbows and knees, It worked well for Karolina why not try use it too ?

That's the point ...

 

[ExitLUPin]

she had the clinch game against KK and Andrade. Rose just seemed too strong here.

Joanna messed her up in the clinch with knees to the body. Rose looked clueless and couldnt defend them at all. If Joanna went to that more late she couldve won

 

[lalaland]

I believe JJ is fully capable of replicating what KK did to Rose with a clinch heavy approach but she wanted to prove she's the better striker (which she isn't).

 

[Gambit MMA]

rose did her some favors striking with her for 25 minutes, i was suprised we didnt see rose clinch up and dirty box and what not. i can see not going for takedowns relentlessly because she woulda gassed but she only went for a few and got the one in the 5th

 

[aerius]

I don't know much about her current coaches but are they really as bad as it looks like or it's just Joanna being more and more delusional and out of touch?

I think a fair amount of it is the coaching but Joanna takes some blame as well. I think there's been a couple key changes between Poland Joanna and ATT Joanna. When she was training in Poland, JJ was better at making in-fight adjustments, if she found a weakness she'd keep hitting it and she was better at seeing the overall flow of a fight. She also did a lot more body work, there were always kicks & punches to the body along with good clinch work with knees & elbows. After joining ATT, she became more of a robotic fighter for lack of better words, she used more preset combos rather than adjusting her strikes to the openings she had, and a lot of her body work and clinch work disappeared. She head hunts & low kicks, and pretty much ignores the body.

This was one of the things I was concerned about when she left her old gym, I didn't think the striking level at ATT was as good. ATT gets the fundamentals right but they just don't have the depth to teach all the finer points that she had before. Everything gets simplified to preset combos and you don't get the reads & in-fight adjustments that are trained in a high level striking gym. If you look at Joanna's fights against Karolina and Andrade, she fought the same fight from beginning to end, there were no real in-fight adjustments, it was just the same punch combos & low kicks for 5 rounds with a few high kicks thrown in. Then watch the Claudia rematch and Letourneau fights and she made in-fight changes to win them, she found things that worked and then exploited the shit out of them.

Which brings us to the Rose rematch. The impression I got was that Joanna felt that if she just did shit harder it would work. Punches and low kicks not working? Ok, just do it more & harder and it will work damnit! It's like the fucking meathead wrestler mentality, more & harder, and it'll work. She never went, "clinch is great, I'm killing her there, let's do it more", she just tried to do the failing plan harder as if that would make it work.

 

[kuka45]

I think a fair amount of it is the coaching but Joanna takes some blame as well. I think there's been a couple key changes between Poland Joanna and ATT Joanna. When she was training in Poland, JJ was better at making in-fight adjustments, if she found a weakness she'd keep hitting it and she was better at seeing the overall flow of a fight. She also did a lot more body work, there were always kicks & punches to the body along with good clinch work with knees & elbows. After joining ATT, she became more of a robotic fighter for lack of better words, she used more preset combos rather than adjusting her strikes to the openings she had, and a lot of her body work and clinch work disappeared. She head hunts & low kicks, and pretty much ignores the body.

This was one of the things I was concerned about when she left her old gym, I didn't think the striking level at ATT was as good. ATT gets the fundamentals right but they just don't have the depth to teach all the finer points that she had before. Everything gets simplified to preset combos and you don't get the reads & in-fight adjustments that are trained in a high level striking gym. If you look at Joanna's fights against Karolina and Andrade, she fought the same fight from beginning to end, there were no real in-fight adjustments, it was just the same punch combos & low kicks for 5 rounds with a few high kicks thrown in. Then watch the Claudia rematch and Letourneau fights and she made in-fight changes to win them, she found things that worked and then exploited the shit out of them.

Which brings us to the Rose rematch. The impression I got was that Joanna felt that if she just did shit harder it would work. Punches and low kicks not working? Ok, just do it more & harder and it will work damnit! It's like the fucking meathead wrestler mentality, more & harder, and it'll work. She never went, "clinch is great, I'm killing her there, let's do it more", she just tried to do the failing plan harder as if that would make it work.

It's quite common knowledge : she was like puppet in octagon for her polish team, they were telling what combo to throw, what to do, at least when we talk about her striking. When she moved to ATT she was always "alone" inside octagon, if you know what I mean. That's why she is so robotic, she used to have very informative corner and now not really plus language barrier. She should be fully awared of that,but looks like she isn't - ego etc.

 

[hlehle]

I think a fair amount of it is the coaching but Joanna takes some blame as well. I think there's been a couple key changes between Poland Joanna and ATT Joanna. When she was training in Poland, JJ was better at making in-fight adjustments, if she found a weakness she'd keep hitting it and she was better at seeing the overall flow of a fight. She also did a lot more body work, there were always kicks & punches to the body along with good clinch work with knees & elbows. After joining ATT, she became more of a robotic fighter for lack of better words, she used more preset combos rather than adjusting her strikes to the openings she had, and a lot of her body work and clinch work disappeared. She head hunts & low kicks, and pretty much ignores the body.

This was one of the things I was concerned about when she left her old gym, I didn't think the striking level at ATT was as good. ATT gets the fundamentals right but they just don't have the depth to teach all the finer points that she had before. Everything gets simplified to preset combos and you don't get the reads & in-fight adjustments that are trained in a high level striking gym. If you look at Joanna's fights against Karolina and Andrade, she fought the same fight from beginning to end, there were no real in-fight adjustments, it was just the same punch combos & low kicks for 5 rounds with a few high kicks thrown in. Then watch the Claudia rematch and Letourneau fights and she made in-fight changes to win them, she found things that worked and then exploited the shit out of them.

Which brings us to the Rose rematch. The impression I got was that Joanna felt that if she just did shit harder it would work. Punches and low kicks not working? Ok, just do it more & harder and it will work damnit! It's like the fucking meathead wrestler mentality, more & harder, and it'll work. She never went, "clinch is great, I'm killing her there, let's do it more", she just tried to do the failing plan harder as if that would make it work.

The Arrachion coaches are known in Poland for being great strategists. They are also great during a fight with their advices. In the past they were also very hearable during JJ fights and I was very impressed how Joanna was adjusting accordingly.
ATT has destroyed JJ, you shouldn't change things that work, you can improve but don't change them. Especially when a fighter is mature as Joanna is.