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Do you think 'The Jimmy Kimmel' show should have been cancelled?


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I think it's pretty obvious this is not a primarily ABC decision, and mostly an FCC pressure situation.

Like I said earlier in the thread, this makes zero business sense. What is their plan? If they were going to fire Kimmel because they planned to, they would have had a replacement lined up already. But they clearly don't. And even if his ratings are terrible, it's still cheaper to keep him until his contract expires in May 2026, rather than fire him now.

It's clear they had no business plan, which means this wasn't a business decision. It was mostly FCC pressure.
what is the FCC going to do though? they'd be in blatant violation of law and anything they did would get reversed in court. ABC would rather drop kimmel than pay legal fees. it's still ultimately a business decision.

you don't need to convince me trump is a blatant fascist, i'm well aware. but this is workers rights issue just as much.
 
what is the FCC going to do though? they'd be in blatant violation of law and anything they did would get reversed in court. ABC would rather drop kimmel than pay legal fees. it's still ultimately a business decision.
This is hardly shocking. Trump has blatantly violated the law with a number of his presidential proclamations and executive orders.

And the latter logic doesn't work: ABC can't "drop Kimmel rather than paying legal fees". Because the moment you drop someone due to FCC pressure, that constitutes a State Action, and the 1st Amendment now applies directly to ABC. Carr's public statements have all but proven this is direct FCC pressure. So if ABC fire Kimmel now, they will definitely face a 1st Amendment lawsuit, or they will have to give him [Kimmel] a big fat settlement in which he waives his right to sue them for lots of money.
 
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This is hardly shocking. Trump has blatantly violated the law with a number of his presidential proclamations and executive orders.
100% and in the vast majority of those cases, they were struck down by a federal judge.
And the latter logic doesn't work: ABC can't "drop Kimmel rather than paying legal fees". Because the moment you drop someone due to FCC pressure, that constitutes a State Action, and the 1st Amendment now applies directly to ABC.
you would think. but if ABC were to have to defend against that in court, they would only have to simply say they were exercising THEIR first amendment rights, because we give corporations constitutional and human rights in this country.
Carr's public statements have all but proven this is direct FCC pressure.
which doesn't hold up in litigation. "all but proving" isn't "proving" and cheering on the demise of network TV hosts on twitter isn't a smoking gun.
So if ABC fire Kimmel now, they will definitely face a 1st Amendment lawsuit, or they will have to give him [Kimmel] a big fat settlement in which he waives his right to sue them for lots of money.
well i don't believe he'd have any leg to stand on regarding the first amendment. this country values corporations over actual people 99% of the time.

again, i just think you guys are downplaying how much of this situation is related to workers' rights.
 
100% and in the vast majority of those cases, they were struck down by a federal judge.

you would think. but if ABC were to have to defend against that in court, they would only have to simply say they were exercising THEIR first amendment rights, because we give corporations constitutional and human rights in this country.

which doesn't hold up in litigation. "all but proving" isn't "proving" and cheering on the demise of network TV hosts on twitter isn't a smoking gun.

well i don't believe he'd have any leg to stand on regarding the first amendment. this country values corporations over actual people 99% of the time.

again, i just think you guys are downplaying how much of this situation is related to workers' rights.
You're correct that "all but proving" =/= proving. However, lawsuits are almost always settled based on perceived risk. A successful verdict for a 1st Amendment lawsuit of this nature would award Kimmel $100M+ when you include punitive damages. While Carr's comments are not absolute proof, they are more than enough to get a lawsuit past pre-trial motions to dismiss. That means any such lawsuit would proceed to Discovery.

Do you really think ABC and Disney want Kimmel to enjoy the amount of Discovery given to First Amendment lawsuit plaintiffs in these cases? I doubt it. Which is why I think they'd be pretty eager to settle with Kimmel, if they do choose to fire him.

You're right that "the system" favors corporations 99% of the time. But Kimmel is the 1%, because he has money. And I guarantee you if he filed a First Amendment lawsuit for being fired, he would get a massive amount of donations to support him. There is zero chance Disney and ABC want to be fighting such a lawsuit.
 
His show has been very political for ages and was asking to be attacked by the people he talks shit about constantly. This is probably more the straw that broke the camel's back type of situation; not something ABC want when what should be a fairly non political late-night show ends up turning off 50% of your possible audience.
Yeah, I agree his and Colbert's show have a political leaning, and if their network got rid of them because of ratings that's fine. The problem here is that it seems the FCC threatened the network in this case and there was a big merger Paramount needed approved when they canceled Colbert. We can't have the President abusing his powe to attack his critics and these aren't the only cases. He just wrote and deleted a post criticizing his AG because the DoJ isn't prosecuting his critics quickly enough. It's something we all need to be wary about when the Separation of Powers are at risk because one branch wants to consolidate power.
 
You're correct that "all but proving" =/= proving. However, lawsuits are almost always settled based on perceived risk. A successful verdict for a 1st Amendment lawsuit of this nature would award Kimmel $100M+ when you include punitive damages. While Carr's comments are not absolute proof, they are more than enough to get a lawsuit past pre-trial motions to dismiss. That means any such lawsuit would proceed to Discovery.

Do you really think ABC and Disney want Kimmel to enjoy the amount of Discovery given to First Amendment lawsuit plaintiffs in these cases? I doubt it. Which is why I think they'd be pretty eager to settle with Kimmel, if they do choose to fire him.

You're right that "the system" favors corporations 99% of the time. But Kimmel is the 1%, because he has money. And I guarantee you if he filed a First Amendment lawsuit for being fired, he would get a massive amount of donations to support him. There is zero chance Disney and ABC want to be fighting such a lawsuit.
kimmel doesn't have money like the people who own hundred-billion dollar revenue corporations have money. reminds me of the chris rock bit about rich vs wealthy. "shaq is rich, the motherfucker who signs shaq's checks is wealthy"

ABC and the FCC would immediately be absolved by saying "this wasn't FCC pressure, we are simply exercising our own first amendment rights"

my point is that corporations probably shouldn't have that. it sounds like you are trying to argue something to me that i generally agree with, but im explaining to you how the scales are tipped against the labor itself, and you don't wanna listen to that. i'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, im just trying to explain how powerless kimmel himself is in this situation, as many laborers are.
 
kimmel doesn't have money like the people who own hundred-billion dollar revenue corporations have money. reminds me of the chris rock bit about rich vs wealthy. "shaq is rich, the motherfucker who signs shaq's checks is wealthy"

ABC and the FCC would immediately be absolved by saying "this wasn't FCC pressure, we are simply exercising our own first amendment rights"

my point is that corporations probably shouldn't have that. it sounds like you are trying to argue something to me that i generally agree with, but im explaining to you how the scales are tipped against the labor itself, and you don't wanna listen to that. i'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, im just trying to explain how powerless kimmel himself is in this situation, as many laborers are.
I don't think Kimmel is powerless at all. He's being paid while he's suspended. This is costing ABC almost $1 million per week, every week the show remains off the air. Despite Kimmel's ratings being low, the profit margins for ABC are merely smaller, not non-existent.

And if ABC choose to drag this out, they need to decide what to do with the staff. If they stop paying them, they will have to lay them off which still requires paying 2 months salary/benefits, due to the Federal WARN law for mass layoffs. And the cost of re-starting the show after laying off the staff is massive.

Meanwhile, all of this is free publicity for Jimmy Kimmel, who will enjoy a massive ratings boost, whether he returns to ABC (with no apology), or if he ultimately ends up being fired and hired by a streaming platform. Kimmel basically has a Royal Flush. He can't lose.
 
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One of the things I hated about Steven Colbert being cancelled... But still being in TV for more 10 months... Is he has the ability to still be on TV and saying all the bullshit he wants and he won't be cancelled... Because he's already being cancelled. He has nothing to lose and even if he does say something that crosses the line the excuse to keep him on he air is 'he soon will be off the air anyway.'

At least Jimmy Kimmel has been cancelled outright, no countdown to his final episode/s, no propaganda saying 'he was one of the best late-night hosts ever,' none of the typical honors that longtime shows typically get as heartfelt goodbyes to the host and audience.

Jimmy's getting what he deserves... Which is what Colbert also deserves... A swift kick through the door without a goodbye.
 
im just here to read how many pussy ass bitch ass mentally ill losers think it was fine to get rid of tim allen, roseanne bar, tucker, ban trump from all social medias but its against free speech that degenerate pussy kimmel got cancelled.

ive never seen a more confused bunch

we hate israel! but the right is nazis!
dont attack our freespeech but we can yours because we deemed it hateful
people dont deserve to die for their feelings, except charlie kirk.

lol i couldn't hate you all with any more passion than i do.

Use a pen, Sideshow Bob.
 
One of the things I hated about Steven Colbert being cancelled... But still being in TV for more 10 months... Is he has the ability to still be on TV and saying all the bullshit he wants and he won't be cancelled... Because he's already being cancelled. He has nothing to lose and even if he does say something that crosses the line the excuse to keep him on he air is 'he soon will be off the air anyway.'

At least Jimmy Kimmel has been cancelled outright, no countdown to his final episode/s, no propaganda saying 'he was one of the best late-night hosts ever,' none of the typical honors that longtime shows typically get as heartfelt goodbyes to the host and audience.

Jimmy's getting what he deserves... Which is what Colbert also deserves... A swift kick through the door without a goodbye.
You are cool with quelling free speech. We get it.
 
Pot meet Kettle

mental illness is when you think others are the problem when you clearly are 🤡

I love how you mention mental illness after your pathetic little unhinged diary entry up-thread.

<Dany07>

Seek help.
 
What did he do that was so wrong? He said the kid came from a MAGA family, which is factually correct.

The real problem is that people here and in MAGA automatically label any gay or transgender person as "far left" Democrat. But there are gay and transgender Republicans.
Nothing as far as I can tell. I just meant, if people were so offended by his remarks, would an apology have fixed things and saved his job? Because that seemed to be enough for Kilmeade. And his remarks were objectively more problematic.
 
Nothing as far as I can tell. I just meant, if people were so offended by his remarks, would an apology have fixed things and saved his job? Because that seemed to be enough for Kilmeade. And his remarks were objectively more problematic.
That's basically career suicide. If he apologizes then he basically also has to scale back his criticism of Trump & MAGA in general. Otherwise, he's just going to tell another joke a couple weeks later and be back in the same position.

And... are we really going to compare Kimmel factually correctly pointing out this kid came from a staunchly republican family to ... suggesting we should be executing homeless people??
 
Yes, he did.

You're wrong, which is why I keep asking you and your other brain-in-a-vat multiple personalities what you think the FCC does, because it's clear you have no clue. Stop depending on reddit or your imagination as your primary source. Political broadcast rules apply across all time zones in perpetuity. Emergency broadcast rules apply across all time zones in perpetuity. Local programming and public interest obligations apply across all time zones in perpetuity.

You don't have a constitutional right to defraud the public at 10:01pm, retard. Nor does the FCC give you that right. And if you think you do, try it.

Finally, the FFC didn't regulate Kimmel's speech. He can still say whatever he wants. What the FCC did do was provide a stern reminder to one of their licensees that Kimmel's behavior violated their policies, which they have every right to do.

Now why don't you or your tranny boyfriend tell me how butthurt you were about the Biden administration violating the first amendment rights of millions of Americans when they bullied social media platforms into censoring and deplatforming those who questioned rigged elections and untested vaccines?

So, what are the facts about Robinson? Tell us?

Both post's questions deserve bright answers, guess that leaves me out of it. :(
 
said the mentally ill person.

Said the guy who admits to being triggered to the max by a bunch of forum posts.

"i couldn't hate you all with any more passion than i do."

<JonesLaugh>

I thought you were supposed to rustle jimmies? All I'm seeing is your own jimmies being rustled. :)
 
You are cool with quelling free speech. We get it.

Already had this debate earlier in the thread, but Jimmy still has the ability to get his 'free speech' out there more than most ... On Twitter.

Jimmy's show was cancelled by Disney after an station-owning network dropped his show.

No one on your side claimed it was 'quelling of speech' after Fox News cancelled Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck (who wasn't cancelled by your side likes to claim he was), or Bill O'Reilly. So there's your daily cup of shut-the-fuck-up and I hope you enjoy drinking it.
 
Already had this debate earlier in the thread, but Jimmy still has the ability to get his 'free speech' out there more than most ... On Twitter.

Jimmy's show was cancelled by Disney after an station-owning network dropped his show.

No one on your side claimed it was 'quelling of speech' after Fox News cancelled Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck (who wasn't cancelled by your side likes to claim he was), or Bill O'Reilly. So there's your daily cup of shut-the-fuck-up and I hope you enjoy drinking it.
The entire issue is the chair of the fcc threatening Disney for protected speech violating no terms. End stop.
 

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