Jesse Williams speech

No, Jesse Williams, I Will Not ‘Sit Down’


...then Williams launched into a political diatribe, praising the activists marching in the streets against “a system built to divide and impoverish and destroy us.” What system? The one run by Barack Obama? Williams did not say.

Next, Williams declared, in an apparent non sequitur: “Now, this is also in particular for the black women in particular who have spent their lifetimes dedicated to nurturing everyone before themselves. We can and will do better for you.”

All well and good, except that the woman who nurtured him in particular is white. That does not mean he owes a debt to all white people (how absurd), or cannot appreciate black women, but it does suggest he feels a need to prove his own racial authenticity.

He continued: “Now, what we’ve been doing is looking at the data and we know that police somehow manage to deescalate, disarm and not kill white people everyday.”

Really? Which data? Not the data available to most other people, which suggest, as one writer noted, that “fatal police shootings make up a much larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths than black homicide deaths.” The reason?: “[T]he lamentable black-on-black homicide rate,” about which Williams said nothing.

But don’t you dare call Williams out for his hypocrisy, or suggest that he focus on changes in our culture that might actually make a positive impact on black lives....In other words: you cannot criticize the “resistance” if you are not loyal to it. And you are presumed to be a racist if you dissent. Not only that, but you ought to have no free speech rights whatsoever.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/06/27/jesse-williams-bet-will-not-sit/
 
I'm confused(easily done).

Are you saying whites actually think that?? Must suck thinking that and then actually turning on the tv. Must be horrifying considering they love to make them look stupid AF. I don't have a problem with it. I turn it off if it displeases me.

DS in particular seems to have a real issue there. In another thread, he was arguing that any mention of slavery, regardless of context, was divisive and should not be done.

People who are getting upset about Williams' take there (actually, a well-made point) seem to be to be so sensitive that it is impossible to have an adult discussion with them. Like, is it even possible for people to even acknowledge injustice in a way that doesn't put some people (and we're not talking about people who are perpetuating it--just people who identify with people who are for irrational reasons) on the defensive?
 
DS in particular seems to have a real issue there. In another thread, he was arguing that any mention of slavery, regardless of context, was divisive and should not be done.

LOL.

Quote me where I said that any mention of slavery, regardless of context, is divisive and should not be done.

You guys love making fools of yourselves with blatant lies. Typical stuff from you Jack.
 
LOL.

Quote me where I said that any mention of slavery, regardless of context, is divisive and should not be done.

You guys love making fools of yourselves with blatant lies. Typical stuff from you Jack.

Er, you don't remember your comments on Michelle Obama discussing progress by noting that she lives in the WH, which was built by slaves? I asked what was divisive about celebrating America's progress in that way, and you said that she shouldn't have mentioned slavery.

Pertinent to her point. This is what follows that paragraph.

"So, graduates, while I think it’s fair to say that our Founding Fathers never could have imagined this day, all of you are very much the fruits of their vision. Their legacy is very much your legacy and your inheritance. And don’t let anybody tell you differently. You are the living, breathing proof that the American Dream endures in our time. It’s you.

So I want you all to go out there. Be great. Build great lives for yourselves. Enjoy the liberties that you have in this great country. Pursue your own version of happiness. And please, please, always, always do your part to help others do the same."

Her point could be made without referencing slaves and passive aggressively attacking Trump.
 
Er, you don't remember your comments on Michelle Obama discussing progress by noting that she lives in the WH, which was built by slaves?

Oh, so one example where I believe that mentioning slavery was in poor taste means that I believe any mention of slavery, regardless of context, is divisive and should not be done?

I could at least respect you when you disagreed with me and didn't resort to lying. This is just sad.
 
LOL.

Quote me where I said that any mention of slavery, regardless of context, is divisive and should not be done.

You guys love making fools of yourselves with blatant lies. Typical stuff from you Jack.

Jack has become a terrible troll over the last year.
 
Oh, so one example where I believe that mentioning slavery was in poor taste means that I believe any mention of slavery, regardless of context, is divisive and should not be done?

You mentioned it was "in poor taste" simply to mention it. The context didn't seem to matter to you (you even said, "she could have made the point without referencing slavery").

I could at least respect you when you disagreed with me and didn't resort to lying. This is just sad.

There's no lie, and it's extremely dishonorable of you to falsely accuse someone of lying.

And I again note an extremely inappropriate escalation, which is further evidence of the extreme sensitivity I noted earlier.
 
You mentioned it was "in poor taste" simply to mention it. The context didn't seem to matter to you (you even said, "she could have made the point without referencing slavery").



There's no lie, and it's extremely dishonorable of you to falsely accuse someone of lying.

And I again note an extremely inappropriate escalation, which is further evidence of the extreme sensitivity I noted earlier.

Just sad, Jack. You used to be a good poster before you adopted an arsenal of ad homs and fallacies.

"DS believes that any mention of slavery is bad." -Jack V Savage.
 
Just sad, Jack. You used to be a good poster before you adopted an arsenal of ad homs and fallacies.

"DS believes that any mention of slavery is bad." -Jack V Savage.

Er, you're the one who went to ad hominems and disgraceful attacks (accusing me of lying for quoting you and accurately paraphrasing your point? WTF?).

And are you retracting what you said in that other thread?
 
How do black people feel about dominating basketball? They must feel disgusted at themselves for cultural appropriation. I mean, the game was invented by a white dude from Canada. Does it get anymore vanilla and "uncool" than that?
 
cliffs pls

couldn't be bothered if it's another b-grade celebrity dickriding the left and blaming whitey for the worlds problems
those are the cliffs. cops bad. white people bad. black people are still treated like slaves. black people are not responsible for anything bad in the world
 
as dumb as it was, it was brilliant at the same time to do this. i had never even heard of him before and neither has almost anyone who doesnt watch grey's anatomy. now millions more know him and i am sure he will be getting tons of projects thrown his way
 
I had never heard of the guy before, still no idea what he does, and remain perplexed that he identifies as black, having only seen photos of him on Facebook where he looks no more black than I do.

But who knows, I've only seen a couple photos.
 
I think his speech was perfectly fine and the backlash here just speaks to the victimhood mentality on this board.

99% of his speech was about telling his audience to take more control of their image, their lives and their communities. That regardless of social circumstances they have a responsibility to themselves. Which is pretty much what people on here constantly complain about except with different language.

Yet because he couched his language in terms of empowerment instead of the more demeaning language you find here, people are criticitizing the underlying message.
You have no issue with the, "Just because we're magic doesn't mean we're not real?"
 
those are the cliffs. cops bad. white people bad. black people are still treated like slaves. black people are not responsible for anything bad in the world

Actual cliffs:

Black men should treat women better; effective policing doesn't require leaping to violence; anti-consumerism; blacks are part of America, though they haven't always been treated that way; if you know what life is worth, you will look for yours on Earth; it's bullshit to criticize the response to oppression if you don't also criticize the oppression; more of blacks are an important part of America in some roles but not treated as such--respected as entertainers but not as members of ordinary society.

Real hateful stuff.
 
What does Jesse Williams represent?

 
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I watched it live and my first thought was...."if the War Room gets a hold of this....."

I can agree with some of his points, but I'd say for the most part he's just preaching to the choir. Has some cool phrases here and there, everyone claps, but the reality is nothing will change.
 
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