Jds game plan and conditioning is his biggest enemy

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Cain was awesome last night but junior looked lost again after the first round, his cardio
imo is becoming a big issue for him, i am shocked that someone of jds level does not have a plan b to go to when things dont go his way.
 
he should have fought like Gustafsson did, avoiding the grappling with footwork. but that's easier said than done.
 
actually you are totally wrong the title should read:

"cain's overwhelming conditioning is too big for his enemies"

because thats the truth, cain is just tooooo good
 
I think it was gameplan more than anything. JDS had literally no clue what to do when he couldn`t 1 punch Cain.

P4P worst gameplan in title fight history imo
 
ibrar faiz said:
actually you are totally wrong the title should read:

"cain's overwhelming conditioning is too big for his enemies"

because thats the truth, cain is just tooooo good
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Exactly, but to be fair, JDS got winded really quick.
 
Think he needs to go out and explore different camps really, he didn't do much differently from the 2nd
 
I couldn't believe that his go to move against the cage was just standing there or trying to push him away with his arms only.

No wonder he tired out so quickly
 
JDS simply doesn't know how to keep distance with good foot work and working a jab to keep distance and set up combinations. At no point did he even try to stop Cain from just pushing him against the fence.
 
His biggest problem is his striking defense. His cardio would be much better if he didn't take so many shots. Really, JDS cardio isn't that far behind Cain imo. It just that he took so much damage early on in the last 2 fights against Cain, he slows and loses a lot of his power, which is his biggest weapon. He was still defending the takedowns well. But just the threat of Cains takedowns (credit to Cain for his constant pressure) throws his whole game off. He still goes straight back with his chin up. Unless he improves his head and foot movement and staying off the cage, he will never beat Cain, outside of landing another big shot early.
 
Look at his body. Too big and muscular to be cardio machine. I'm actually impressed by his cardio. That was a grueling fight, not to mention the damage he took. He was still defending takedowns and throwing
 
ibrar faiz said:
actually you are totally wrong the title should read:

"cain's overwhelming conditioning is too big for his enemies"

because thats the truth, cain is just tooooo good
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Obviously Cain has amazing conditioning, but not sure how his conditioning gets credit for anything when JDS was gassed with 4 minutes left in round one. JDS gassed faster in this fight than he did in the second fight.
 
A couple things here. JDS did have a game plan and was using his footwork in round one. He was moving to his left and right and also managed to hit Cain with big shots. The problem being that Cain got in close despite the footwork. Also I wouldn't surprise if part of JDS' strategy was to fight on the cage for the simple fact it helped stop Cain from finishing takedowns.

Cain is just such a beast that none of what JDS did worked. How often do any of us see a plan B in fighting? Usually by the time you're sure plan A isn't going to pan out you're so deep in the whole plan B isn't going to do much better and these guys start head hunting or throwing up random sub attempts.
 
JDS conditioning is fine. He pretty much went 5 rounds twice with Cain. He needs to mix up his mma game. He needs to go for takedowns himself. Start messing with Cain and get him second guessing. Even if he doesn't get the takedown, he'll get him thinking. JDS had many opportunities for TD's. After he slipped Cains punch's he would have got an easy double leg. If GSP and Gus can get takedowns on superior wrestlers so can JDS. Needs to change camp imo.
 
JDS's biggest problem is that Cain is just really, really good. JDS is almost as good and it is proven that he can beat Cain, but it will just be hard and it's likely that no game plan will change that.
 
Well, I think JDS' conditioning was pretty good, to be honest. He still had plenty of power in his punches right up until the end, but the gameplan was certainly questionable.

I don't know if he thought the 2nd fight was a one off and that things would just be different this time if he was in good shape. Or maybe he truly he thought that he'd be able to reverse Cain on the cage. He likely just thought that he'd be able to stuff the takedown and then land his shots in between all of the wrestling against the cage.
 
ibrar faiz said:
actually you are totally wrong the title should read:

"cain's overwhelming conditioning is too big for his enemies"

because thats the truth, cain is just tooooo good
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That would be wrong though. Cain was about done, his conditioning isn't as good as they try to convince us of. JDS fought horribly, his fight IQ is borderline retarded and even when it obviously wasn't working he refused to change it up. Not saying he would have won if he did but Cain was fading and JDS had all kinds of opportunities to turn things around.
 
eon001 said:
JDS conditioning is fine. He pretty much went 5 rounds twice with Cain. He needs to mix up his mma game. He needs to go for takedowns himself. Start messing with Cain and get him second guessing. Even if he doesn't get the takedown, he'll get him thinking. JDS had many opportunities for TD's. After he slipped Cains punch's he would have got an easy double leg. If GSP and Gus can get takedowns on superior wrestlers so can JDS. Needs to change camp imo.
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Being in zombie mode for 8.5 of the 10 rounds doesn't mean shit for his cardio. It's terrible. It just means he has tremendous amounts of heart and can take big shots.
 
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