I find the video particularly interesting because of that incident in 2004 where Jason made that awful, typo-riddled Sherdog post where he disrespected Rutten. After Bas Rutten verbally slapped him for it, Jason made another response where he said the reason his carreer went downhill was that he devoted like 10 years to trying to make a NHB compatible version of Aikido. I always wondered what he was babbling about there, but thanks to Black Belt Magazine i can see it now.
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Thanks, it's always interesting to see some of these old threads with pro fighters posting back when this website actually was important in the sport and sometimes fighters called each other out.I find the video particularly interesting because of that incident in 2004 where Jason made that awful, typo-riddled Sherdog post where he disrespected Rutten. After Bas Rutten verbally slapped him for it, Jason made another response where he said the reason his carreer went downhill was that he devoted like 10 years to trying to make a NHB compatible version of Aikido. I always wondered what he was babbling about there, but thanks to Black Belt Magazine i can see it now.
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Q for Jason DeLucia...
Originally posted by sir037 Posting on websites doesn't pay bills or put food on a table. What are you kidding me!! How many times do professional fighters go to a site and post to say something like, check it out in my fighter training video or book! To say that it will not pay bills...
While i legitimately intended for this to be an Aikido thread, i approve of it turning into a Bas Rutten vs. Jason DeLucia thread.
Yeah, i suspect it would have been a disadvantage for Jason too if explosive striker Bas Rutten started hitting him on the ground (doesn't matter if it's bottom position). Especially considering Rutten submitted him even in their first match when he didn't have any grappling skills.
I don't really see anybody in Pancrase finishing Rutten with GNP simply because in many of his fights he has shown to be very effective with explosive bridging and rolling for getting up from the bottom (which he often just didn't do because wasting energy in a 30 minute round when you don't need to is a bad idea). Plus there is the option for rope escapes so there isn't even a huge risk for opening yourself up to submissions when exploding.
I think the characterization about Delucia and Vernon is about right, although to call them 'jobbers' does them a disservice. They fought the best, didn't try to get a padded record and consequently don't have the best looking win ratios but have a who's who of killers on their resume. Vernon was rewarded with his big UFC main event with Chuck where Chuck couldn't finish him so resorted to an eye gouge to win requiring surgery for Vernon. It was a testament to his toughness though that Chuck looked lost before the finish.
There is another possibility of what might have happened here. It's only based on a gut feeling of mine rather than much factual evidence but it would make for a plausible explanation. I have recently watched the 30 year reunion of the UFC 1 fighters and noticed that to this very day, Ken Shamrock is still trying to gaslight people into believing Royce Gracie used his Gi to strangle him.
There is another possibility of what might have happened here. It's only based on a gut feeling of mine rather than much factual evidence but it would make for a plausible explanation. I have recently watched the 30 year reunion of the UFC 1 fighters and noticed that to this very day, Ken Shamrock is still trying to gaslight people into believing Royce Gracie used his Gi to strangle him.
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Of course, in the actual video of the fight, it is not visible what exactly happens, but we DO have definitive proof of it not being any type of Gi strangle but a basic RNC.
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Now, what i suspect happened is that Jason DeLucia, who has friendly ties to both the Gracies and the Shamrock camp, was told by Shamrock that Royce applied a Gi choke. If that actually happened, the DeLucia / Jenkins finish would in fact be the first RNC in UFC history.
So if Shamrock KEEPS insisting on it being a Gi choke at every opportunity he gets even 30 years after the fact (which makes sense for him, since his excuse for losing has always been that he wasn't allowed to wear shoes because they were considered weapons, but Gracie was allowed to use his Gi as a weapon), it's quite possible that Jason either believes Shamrock (despite Gracie having stated at every opportunity that it was a RNC) or at the very least stays willfully ignorant of it being an RNC because that gives his choke against Jenkins historical relevance as the first RNC in UFC history.
Long story short, it is very possible that the DeLucia / Jenkins match happened right before the finals as established, but he doesn't count the Shamrock / Gracie match, which was the only other RNC pre-finals.
EDIT: I HAVE THE SOLUTION! I can confirm that the Jason DeLucia vs. Trent Jenkins match took place immediately before the main event. Stupid me didn't listen to the actual podcast with Jason before i posted it. He is asked about when the fight took place and this is what basically happened: The alternates were not supposed to fight at UFC 1. The problem was that all the fights were much shorter than Rorion Gracie expected, so the decision for the DeLucia / Jenkins fight to happen was made during the actual event. So the fight happened right before the Gracie vs. Gordeau fight, confirming my suspicion that DeLucia's claim about doing the first RNC in UFC history is bullshit and doesn't take Gracie / Shamrock into account.
Finally, we solved the mystery.
So, regarding the next mystery: I just watched UFC 3. Have you ever noticed that Ken Shamrocks outfit changes between the Leininger and Mitchell fights? Against Leininger, he is wearing red trunks. Against Mitchell, he is wearing bright yellow trunks.
What i can say is that he seems to be wearing the same shoes and kneepads in both fights and his red trunks did not get visibly damaged or even touched in the Leininger fight. He also wore black underwear under the yellow trunks which became visible because Mitchell pulled on the yellow trunks, exposing them. Also, Shamrock dropped out of the tournament for an ominous injury (no visible signs of it after the fight) he sustained in the Mitchell fight.
