Crime Jared Kushner's private equity firm has made a grand total of $0 in profits and received $112 million in fees

[Jack V Savage]

It took in tens of millions for relief effort. It took in money for Haiti and did nothing. I personally know a few people from Haiti who lamented about this. Do you think it was just poorly managed or what happened?

Neither. They spent $30M on Haitian relief efforts (after Hurricane Matthew), building up the green-energy grid, and providing literacy education. You're just repeating a lie that Trump told during the 2016 campaign.

If there were any evidence at all to support Trump's allegations, you really don't think Trump's DOJ would have pursued it? Do you remember that there were 12 separate investigations into Benghazi by House Republicans, even though they found no wrongdoing by her?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Baiting somebody into changing the subject and getting personal whilst accusing others of personally attacking you is classic you.

What are you talking about? This thread is about Kushner. And then you said that everyone would be as hackish as you and other Republicans have been, and I pointed out that we actually have an example--there's an active thread about a corrupt Democratic politician, and no one on the left is defending him. Rather than just admit you were wrong and learn from it, you personally attack me. It's a poor advertisement for Christianity.

I have no reason to continue to converse with someone that argues in such bad faith. I've given you plenty of chances, but you fail to change your behavior nearly every time

I have never argued in bad faith, and the fact that you see fit to throw out such allegations just because you're embarrassed about your mistake says a lot about your character.

 

[Captain Tenneal]

What are you talking about? This thread is about Kushner. And then you said that everyone would be as hackish as you and other Republicans have been, and I pointed out that we actually have an example--there's an active thread about a corrupt Democratic politician, and no one on the left is defending him. Rather than just admit you were wrong and learn from it, you personally attack me. It's a poor advertisement for Christianity.

Adams is one example, and you ignored my point that he is a forsaken Democrat. You could have just responded to that, but you're a bad faith arguer. You also have now on multiple occasions brought up religion, as a personal slight. This is exactly what I'm talking about

I have never argued in bad faith, and the fact that you see fit to throw out such allegations just because you're embarrassed about your mistake says a lot about your character.

You argue in bad faith repeatedly. You are not concerned with achieving any kind of mutual understanding. You just want to hit the other person, and then pretend to be a victim

I could go on to explain how or why I think you do this. But it would be a bigger waste of my time

 

[Jack V Savage]

Adams is one example, and you ignored my point that he is a forsaken Democrat.

That's what we're talking about. He's "forsaken" because he's corrupt. Just like Menendez. Trump is not "forsaken" by Republicans because you guys are willing to tolerate corruption.

You could have just responded to that, but your a bad faith arguer. You also have now on multiple occasions brought up religion, as a personal slight. This is exactly what I'm talking about

Why is it bad faith? And I bring it up because you bring it up and then you behave the way you do.

You argue in bad faith repeatedly. You are not concerned with achieving any kind of mutual understanding. You just want to hit the other person, and then pretend to be a victim

When have I ever argued in bad faith? What does that even mean to you, if not just disagreeing with your party?

I could go on to explain how or why I think you do this. But it would be a bigger waste of my time

Because you don't feel any need to behave morally as long as you're dealing with someone who isn't a Republican.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

I believe that our beliefs should be guided by evidence rather than partisanship and that falsely accusing people of stuff is bad, yeah. I also believe that you shouldn't defend people caught doing bad things by lying. I'm just funny that way, I guess.

What are you talking about? If you're aware of evidence of wrongdoing that goes beyond just "Republicans don't like Hillary," by all means, present it.

It absolutely is not common. You're saying that because you're a supporter of crooks and you're trying to minimize it, and you don't seem to have any moral qualms about lying.

Her foundation paid her zero.

"Her foundation paid her zero"

And likely Jarod took zero dollars directly from his organization. Yet it brought in millions

So... How much did Hillary receive? You made the specific claim she enriched herself through the charity.

Do you understand that the financial records of a charity are not secret?

How much does Jarod directly receive from the Saudi money??

It's literally the exact same scenario.

 

[Rational Poster]

"Her foundation paid her zero"

And likely Jarod took zero dollars directly from his organization. Yet it brought in millions

How much does Jarod directly receive from the Saudi money??

It's literally the exact same scenario.

No it's not.

I don't believe you know what any of those words mean.

 

[Jack V Savage]

"Her foundation paid her zero"

And likely Jarod took zero dollars directly from his organization. Yet it brought in millions

What? Read the OP. Kushner is getting paid millions annually by the Saudis.

How much does Jarod directly receive from the Saudi money??

It's literally the exact same scenario.

He receives millions. I don't think Kushner receiving millions of dollars annually by a hostile foreign gov't who he was tasked with working with (and might be again) is the same as Clinton receiving zero for doing charitable work in Haiti. I genuinely don't understand how you can be such a shameless hack. Like you genuinely don't feel bad about that stuff?

 

[PEB]

 

[fedorthegoat777]

I believe that our beliefs should be guided by evidence rather than partisanship and that falsely accusing people of stuff is bad, yeah. I also believe that you shouldn't defend people caught doing bad things by lying. I'm just funny that way, I guess.

What are you talking about? If you're aware of evidence of wrongdoing that goes beyond just "Republicans don't like Hillary," by all means, present it.

It absolutely is not common. You're saying that because you're a supporter of crooks and you're trying to minimize it, and you don't seem to have any moral qualms about lying.

Her foundation paid her zero.

"Her foundation paid her zero"
And Trump literally got paid zero for his Presidential salary. And I am sure Jarod probably didn't directly take that Saudi money. It went to write offs, loans, expenses, associates, other businesses, etc.

And as far as being a one sided partisan loyalist, Come on. Me and you have argued on numerous posts on here about RFK Jr. I was on his team in the beginning and voting for him prior to him dropping out. You hated him.

 

[Jack V Savage]

"Her foundation paid her zero"
And Trump literally got paid zero for his Presidential salary. And I am sure Jarod probably didn't directly take that Saudi money. It went to write offs, loans, expenses, associates, other businesses, etc.

I think you're confused about what's going on here. After leaving the administration, Kushner put together an amateurish investment presentation that was rejected by Saudi investors, who were then overruled. This is a business venture for him now. He is getting paid millions annually by the Saudis. This is nothing like a charitable foundation.

And as far as being a one sided partisan loyalist, Come on. Me and you have argued on numerous posts on here about RFK Jr. I was on his team in the beginning and voting for him prior to him dropping out. You hated him.

And in this thread, you're defending Trump/Kushner by making up some crazy shit about Clinton and Biden to pretend that it's normal. It's not normal, telling defamatory lies is not morally defensible, and it doesn't make Trump/Kushner's activities OK. Have some damned dignity. You're smearing people and defending corrupt activities against your own country.

Also, RFK was just running to help Trump.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

What? Read the OP. Kushner is getting paid millions annually by the Saudis.

He receives millions. I don't think Kushner receiving millions of dollars annually by a hostile foreign gov't who he was tasked with working with (and might be again) is the same as Clinton receiving zero for doing charitable work in Haiti. I genuinely don't understand how you can be such a shameless hack. Like you genuinely don't feel bad about that stuff?

We have disagreed numerous times in the past and have respectfully came to different conclusions. Today you resort to name calling and insults, why? Touch a sore spot? Clinton is infallible and above reproach?

I think both these groups launder money through their businesses and non profits in creative ways to personal accounts. You do not.

Of course Jarod is getting money, but he does it in ways to covet himself. As do a lot of politicians on both sides. But you are convinced only one side steals.

Till next time. Another debate, another day.

 

[Natural Order]

How do you get billions from the House of Saud and not even manage to turn a profit? There were some on that board that said Jared DaKush should not be given that money, because he is bad at business, but those people got overruled by the Prince, and Jared got billions. All you would have to do, is invest in some stocks that pay dividends or safe ivestments that pay a low rate and you could easily make money. All that money and has not made a dime, is laughable.

If you think the transaction was for actual business profit motivation for the Saudis, I have a bridge to sell you pal! That was discretionary money for Jared to help temper the noise from Kashoggi and Yemen. Authorized by MBS himself after his own internal teams determined flaws everywhere in due diligence.

 

[Jack V Savage]

We have disagreed numerous times in the past and have respectfully came to different conclusions. Today you resort to name calling and insults, why? Touch a sore spot? Clinton is infallible and above reproach?

If @filthybliss accused you of rape because he had a political disagreement with you, and I said there was no evidence to support the accusation and it's really fucked up of him to do that, would you take that to mean that I'm saying you're infallible and above reproach? What's wrong with just not lying?

I think both these groups launder money through their businesses and non profits in creative ways to personal accounts. You do not.

It's not like you like chocolate and I like vanilla. You're making really serious allegations with no evidence at all to distract from the fact that someone you identify with is known to be involved in corruption.

Of course Jarod is getting money, but he does it in ways to covet himself. As do a lot of politicians on both sides. But you are convinced only one side steals.

He doesn't have to cover himself. He is openly getting paid by the Saudis. The "cover" is just the idea that they're paying him for his investing acumen rather than to have influence with Trump.

Our disagreement is on whether corruption is bad (you think it's normal and fine if it is on your side; I think it's unusual and always bad) and whether making false allegations is morally acceptable (you think it is; I do not).

 

[fedorthegoat777]

I think you're confused about what's going on here. After leaving the administration, Kushner put together an amateurish investment presentation that was rejected by Saudi investors, who were then overruled. This is a business venture for him now. He is getting paid millions annually by the Saudis. This is nothing like a charitable foundation.

And in this thread, you're defending Trump/Kushner by making up some crazy shit about Clinton and Biden to pretend that it's normal. It's not normal, telling defamatory lies is not morally defensible, and it doesn't make Trump/Kushner's activities OK. Have some damned dignity. You're smearing people and defending corrupt activities against your own country.

Also, RFK was just running to help Trump.

I think Jarod is very shady. But I think 90%+ of all political people are. No one defended anybody. You defended Clinton.

RFK was literally born into the Democratic Party into a lifetime legacy of Democrats. He was all in his whole life.

He did not get to run against Biden. They hand picked Kamala, he turned very sour.

He did not win any votes for Trump. Taylor Swift probably got more votes for Harris than RFK got for Trump.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I think Jarod is very shady. But I think 90%+ of all political people are. No one defended anybody. You defended Clinton.

No. Jared did something, and you are defending it by pretending it's normal. I am not and would not defend something Clinton did that was wrong. That's the difference between us. I have morals.

RFK was literally born into the Democratic Party into a lifetime legacy of Democrats. He was all in his whole life.

He did not get to run against Biden. They hand picked Kamala, he turned very sour.

He did not win any votes for Trump. Taylor Swift probably got more votes for Harris than RFK got for Trump.

He ran to help Trump, backed by Trump supporters. But when it looked like he might take more from Trump than from Harris or Biden, he backed out and endorsed Trump.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

No. Jared did something, and you are defending it by pretending it's normal. I am not and would not defend something Clinton did that was wrong. That's the difference between us. I have morals.

He ran to help Trump, backed by Trump supporters. But when it looked like he might take more from Trump than from Harris or Biden, he backed out and endorsed Trump.

1. Has any recent Democrat ever done anything wrong? I have never heard you say anything about anyone. Past Bill Clinton who you don't like.

2. I disagree with your RFK conspiracy theory.

 

[Jack V Savage]

1. Has any recent Democrat ever done anything wrong? I have never heard you say anything about anyone. Past Bill Clinton who you don't like.

2. I disagree with your RFK conspiracy theory.

1. There's a current thread about the Dem mayor of NYC. He hasn't been convicted yet, but I'd bet he's guilty, and I think it's indefensible what he's accused of (and I'm not going to pretend Mitch McConnell is doing the same thing to normalize it). Remove him from office and throw him in jail. Same with Menendez. I've criticized stuff Newsom has done that doesn't rise to the level of illegality or impeachment. I regularly express policy differences with various left-wing factions. The suggestion that I'm your mirror image here is ridiculous.
2. No CT, and what do you mean? You disagree with the fact that his backers were Trump supporters or that he dropped out and endorsed Trump?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Neither. They spent $30M on Haitian relief efforts (after Hurricane Matthew), building up the green-energy grid, and providing literacy education. You're just repeating a lie that Trump told during the 2016 campaign.

If there were any evidence at all to support Trump's allegations, you really don't think Trump's DOJ would have pursued it? Do you remember that there were 12 separate investigations into Benghazi by House Republicans, even though they found no wrongdoing by her?

It's amazing how susceptible people are to suggestion and it isn't even their fault. Nobody should ever believe anything Trump says.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

"Her foundation paid her zero"

And likely Jarod took zero dollars directly from his organization. Yet it brought in millions

How much does Jarod directly receive from the Saudi money??

It's literally the exact same scenario.

Likely? Doesn't that mean you're just assuming?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

1. There's a current thread about the Dem mayor of NYC. He hasn't been convicted yet, but I'd bet he's guilty, and I think it's indefensible what he's accused of (and I'm not going to pretend Mitch McConnell is doing the same thing to normalize it). Remove him from office and throw him in jail. Same with Menendez. I've criticized stuff Newsom has done that doesn't rise to the level of illegality or impeachment. I regularly express policy differences with various left-wing factions. The suggestion that I'm your mirror image here is ridiculous.
2. No CT, and what do you mean? You disagree with the fact that his backers were Trump supporters or that he dropped out and endorsed Trump?

1. Ok, great point, good examples, thank you.
2. RFK's backers are not all Trump supporters. A lot were. Where I live it, in a unique spot in Hawaii, there are a ton of RFK fans now reluctuntly voting for Harris. I know this as we are all in the same boat. I was at a coffee shop once, they had a RKK meeting, I was there already, so I participated in one, as a fan who planned on voting for him.

In a more red area, RFK fans will go Trump, Libertarian, or not vote. More to Trump.

Polls on this came out, showing it was close to a split vote on who went which way.

People switch teams, it happens. RFK reluctantly turned red. Others turn blue.