Jardine's unorthodox stand up (ufc 84 comments...)

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Any of comments you guys wanna make on 84, let's do it in this thread.

Wand should adopt a much more formal boxing regime and training. I heard something about him hiring a pure muay thai coach and I kinda laughed. The image I have of muay thai fighters are a bit different in my head. The association of muay thai and wandy kinda make me laugh in general. The guy likes to throw down with his hands. Everything he does starts with his hands. He's not really an all around striker.

I mean we talked about Sherk needs become a inside fighter to suit him better, but Wandy is the same too.

Wandy sorta looked like sherk when he was fighting chuck. He was just whiffing those left and right hooks by couple of inches. But it's happened against henderson and mirko too.

I mean he definitely has the right mindset for it and attributes for it.
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And in hindsight, the houston-jardine fight gave us a glimpse of what was to happen. Even during the chuck fight, when chuck was pressing him, jardine just started spazzing out.

Doesnt have the speed or the chin to fight inside well. I guess he just cant handle the aggressive and hardhitting brawlers.

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Everything soccerjew throws seems like it would hurt. The dude is built like a truck and hits like one.

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And lol at Goran. The dude did a great job hiding the fact that he was rocked. Then pulling guard.

Smart thinking.
 
The ironic part is though Liddell did the exact same thing against Wandy.

Chuck sets up everything with his hands and he rarely threw any kicks.

Im really surprised Wandy beat Jardine. I thought Wandy has been done for awhile now and after that Liddell fight im just happy he doesnt have to eat his food through a straw.

When watching Jardine/Liddell, Jardine/Alexander I knew that Jardine could be exploited but I didnt think Wandy was the guy to do it.
 
uppercuts21 said:
The ironic part is though Liddell did the exact same thing against Wandy.

Chuck sets up everything with his hands and he rarely threw any kicks.

Im really surprised Wandy beat Jardine. I thought Wandy has been done for awhile now and after that Liddell fight im just happy he doesnt have to eat his food through a straw.

When watching Jardine/Liddell, Jardine/Alexander I knew that Jardine could be exploited but I didnt think Wandy was the guy to do it.
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Silva and houston actually fight pretty similarly dude. Both aggressive as hell inside brawlers.
 
SIlva can just endure more damage then houston. Houston was rocked bad before he K.O jardine.

Silva didnt actualy take damage, but it was a good fight for him, i had some doubts but lets be honest, jardine isnt chuck at striking, he is awkward and a bit harder to hit but im pretty sure it was chucks power that kept silva from jumping on chuck even after he slipped/dropped him a couple times.
 
Ted-P said:
Any of comments you guys wanna make on 84, let's do it in this thread.

Wand should adopt a much more formal boxing regime and training. I heard something about him hiring a pure muay thai coach and I kinda laughed. The image I have of muay thai fighters are a bit different in my head. The association of muay thai and wandy kinda make me laugh in general. The guy likes to throw down with his hands. Everything he does starts with his hands. He's not really an all around striker.

I mean we talked about Sherk needs become a inside fighter to suit him better, but Wandy is the same too.

Wandy sorta looked like sherk when he was fighting chuck. He was just whiffing those left and right hooks by couple of inches. But it's happened against henderson and mirko too.

I mean he definitely has the right mindset for it and attributes for it.
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And in hindsight, the houston-jardine fight gave us a glimpse of what was to happen. Even during the chuck fight, when chuck was pressing him, jardine just started spazzing out.

Doesnt have the speed or the chin to fight inside well. I guess he just cant handle the aggressive and hardhitting brawlers.

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Everything soccerjew throws seems like it would hurt. The dude is built like a truck and hits like one.

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And lol at Goran. The dude did a great job hiding the fact that he was rocked. Then pulling guard.

Smart thinking.
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that was my concern w/jardine, sure he is a big lhw; but all his fights have shown he is not a durable (he got dropped by bonnar twice and bonnar can't punch for shit and got leveled by alexander) and i have never gotten the impression he is particularly physical or gritty. Meaning if u can get ur hands on him and get rough w/him he will breakdown or fold.

tech his footwork is horrible, offensively its ok cus of his funky delivery of strikes which comes off of his footwork/positioning and the fact all these guys in mma have a hard time w/their headmovement, def footowork, distancing and angles.

some guys can't fight going backwards, an some just don't work xcertain aspect of their game well enough to be able to apply it under duress, im not sure which one jardine is; all i know is that when pressed he gets walked through.

once maybe just luck, twice its a habit its a problem.....

an all that talk of jardine overlooking alexander was a crock, he just can't deal w/pressure and that is obvious...

if chuck would have came forward he would have finished keith
 
T.J.T said:
SIlva can just endure more damage then houston. Houston was rocked bad before he K.O jardine.

Silva didnt actualy take damage, but it was a good fight for him, i had some doubts but lets be honest, jardine isnt chuck at striking, he is awkward and a bit harder to hit but im pretty sure it was chucks power that kept silva from jumping on chuck even after he slipped/dropped him a couple times.
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Irregardless, when silva was countering, he was just whiffing bombs on liddell and to no avail he just kept on swining.

And I dont know what it is, but was that a body shot that Wandy threw intially when Jardine threw that low kick? I'm having a hard time telling.
 
silva has better recovery than houston, he has been rocked many a time; he just recovers so quickly.

an silva is somewhat eff in the mid range, outside of the clinch; to be honest all we have seen houston do is clinch and level people, outside of it he got dropped by jardine/caught alot of shots from sakara and caught clean trying to enter into it by irvin. Plus silva has shown a competent skillset on the ground.

but other than that they are both balls to the wall physicall aggressive fighters, who do alot of work in the clinch.
 
Ted-P said:
Irregardless, when silva was countering, he was just whiffing bombs on liddell and to no avail he just kept on swining.

And I dont know what it is, but was that a body shot that Wandy threw intially when Jardine threw that low kick? I'm having a hard time telling.
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I was at a friends house so i dont have it on my DVR but i thought he caught/blocked the kick and threw and overhand right. I could be wrong dont have it here to check.

Silva did catch chuck a couple times, going into that fight i didnt belive the silva hype and really wanted chuck to dominate, but silva gained a ton of respect for the way he fought. he did get beat up pretty good but he probably would have won vs a lesser striker like he did here with jardine.
 
Ted-P said:
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Silva and houston actually fight pretty similarly dude. Both aggressive as hell inside brawlers.
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But Jardine didnt lose because of Silva's style. He lost because he was extremely careless in the pocket and got caught as a result.

I'll have to rewatch the fight because I forgot how Jardine got caught but wasnt off a low kick and Silva just countered with a looping left hook.
 
I think it's safe to say at this point that Jardine doesn't have the greatest chin.
 
Wandy does need to work on his striking, I haven't seen a punch from him that wasn't a huge hook in years.

Seems like someone at Xtreme Couture could mention the existence of the jab
 
Strike to the back of the head?

The strikes that rocked weren't back of the head punches.

Love how Jackson tried to subtly minimize vandy's success.

LOL, Mithra

if you see the highlight of silva on the ufc 84 ill will site, his clips with the liddell fight was basically him whiffing huge ass hooks.
 
I can agree with that, but he wasn't just KO'd, he was KO'd BAD.
 
WCLegend90 said:
To be fair, he's been KO'd by people who hit fucking hard. Sort of like Ruslan Karaev in K-1.
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yeah but when jardine was stopped, he was either a)facedown having to be picked up and carried to his stool or b)laid out flat on his back stiff as a board for 3mins... Anyone can get koed, but ko's of that proportion are the type of things that make u question a)a fighters chin or b)what a fighter will have left in fights in the future.

an wand/houston are not considered the p4p hardest hitters in the div or in mma- irvin cracks harder, as does liddel, maybe even thiago silva; as hard as alexander and silva hit, alot of their success is that aggression and volume
 
yeah but when jardine was stopped, he was either a)facedown having to be picked up and carried to his stool or b)laid out flat on his back stiff as a board for 3mins... Anyone can get koed, but ko's of that proportion are the type of things that make u question a)a fighters chin or b)what a fighter will have left in fights in the future.
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come on.. to be fair to keith.. he got nailed by the knee-on-belly-rape-choke-pounding that wand gave him...
 
Jardine may have a weak chin but his recovery speed is impressive, he ate a ton of flush shots from Alexander and it looked like he would go out an then wake right back up again
 
Mithra said:
Jardine may have a weak chin but his recovery speed is impressive, he ate a ton of flush shots from Alexander and it looked like he would go out an then wake right back up again
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yeah he does recover well he should have been out for the rest of the night when alexander landed on him and he was up a few moments later; an he should have been in that coma for about a wholde day, but came out of it in a few minutes.

he has REAL quick recovery....
 
i dont think he has a weak chin i think he just gets caught easily and doesnt defend his chin enough like keeping it tucked and his shoulders high

i think that knee from jardine or those punches from silva would have put most fighters down
 
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