Crime Jan 6 feelings

[jeremyemilio]

The thousands of protestors weren't conspirators, they were a mob generated to be taken advantage of. The One Percenters and Proud Boys currently facing sedition charges were the conspirators.

Plenty of people knew this was going to happen. The Secret Service knew it was going to happen, many of the warnings have surfaced in the ongoing hearings. Antifa debated counter protesting but decided it was far too dangerous, the caches of weapons discovered nearby proved them right. They were talking about this weeks in advance.

There are plenty of articles and videos out there if you need help wrapping your head around this, and hopefully the current investigation will bring much of it to light. What they were trying to do, why it didn't work, and what elements are still in place. There was a lot of manipulation of the votes and Republicans who spoke against the false allegations of fraud have been purged from the party. They won't be around next time and this party of Trump is still claiming the election was stolen.

Yes, it's serious, and the people downplaying it and dismissing it are a huge part of the problem. We're seeing a tyranny of the minority who would be more than happy to accept an overthrow of the democratic process if it's in their favour. Trump's "we just need you to find more votes" should have ended any debate on what they were trying to do, but all conservatives do is complain about the leaked tape. It's unbelievable.

I'm also Canadian and the conservative super majority on the Supreme Court is still probably the most depressing thing that has happened in my 54 years. A minority of Americans have a super majority on the Supreme Court.

Here's the thing. I understand all of that. It just doesn't change a single thing that I said. It's serious, but still:

a. I don't understand how any of this "plan" was any sort of real threat that had any sort of chance of working except in the fever dreams of delusional, detached from reality, Q Anon sorts.

b. I don't get how people are intent on painting members of a mob as conscious insurgents attempting to take the government by force. Regardless of the odd unworkable plans from above these people were rioters and should be charged as such.

You can't blame rioters for the conspiratorial plans of every nut-job they are politically aligned with. If you do that, you're going to end up with more than crazy righties in jail. Every environmentalist who blocks a roadway, every BLM matter protester who smashes a window, every first nations warrior who ends up in a dispute on the water fishing lobster out of season, ends up redefined as a a terrorists and insurgent.

That approach is going to come back and bite us. Trump (or someone like him) very well could manage to win another election here at some point. Do we really want to give him not only a justification, but legal precedent to actually and literally "Lock them up!"?

If you're truly depressed about the conservative supermajority on the supreme court, that's the scenario you should be depressed about.

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

You sound completely disingenuous. The people's house? GTFO. It was a violent mob breaking into the Capitol to chase lawakers away while some chanted "Hang Mike Pence"... <puh-lease75>

Well... I remember in early 2016, most of the libs would have been all for hanging pence over some transformer bill in Indiana

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Well... I remember in early 2016, most of the libs would have been all for hanging pence over some transformer bill in Indiana

Yeah but there's more than meets the eye to that one...

 

[Loiosh]

Here's the thing. I understand all of that. It just doesn't change a single thing that I said. It's serious, but still:

a. I don't understand how any of this "plan" was any sort of real threat that had any sort of chance of working except in the fever dreams of delusional, detached from reality, Q Anon sorts.

b. I don't get how people are intent on painting members of a mob as conscious insurgents attempting to take the government by force. Regardless of the odd unworkable plans from above these people were rioters and should be charged as such.

You can't blame rioters for the conspiratorial plans of every nut-job they are politically aligned with. If you do that, you're going to end up with more than crazy righties in jail. Every environmentalist who blocks a roadway, every BLM matter protester who smashes a window, every first nations warrior who ends up in a dispute on the water fishing lobster out of season, ends up redefined as a a terrorists and insurgent.

That approach is going to come back and bite us. Trump (or someone like him) very well could manage to win another election here at some point. Do we really want to give him not only a justification, but legal precedent to actually and literally "Lock them up!"?

If you're truly depressed about the conservative supermajority on the supreme court, that's the scenario you should be depressed about.

With all due respect, I don't think you "understand all that".

a. I'm not going to try and explain it here. I pointed out there's been plenty of discussion about it if you're interested, and if you're more comfortable dismissing it as conspiratorial fantasy, I hope you're right. I don't think you are. I spent decades arguing with conspiracy theorists and appreciate that it is entirely possible I've been radicalized, and honestly that's a best case scenario for me, I would prefer to be crazy than right. I'm the first in my family born in Canada and my parents both came from fascist regimes, all the elements are in place for America to go down the same road.

b. I never did that. The politicians ginned them up and the extremists took advantage. I blame the rioters for the crimes they committed but reserve accusations of treason for the extremists and politicians.

The supreme court super majority depresses me because that's the ball game for decades. It's the single most important piece of the machinery that enforces the tyranny of the minority. Trump never needed justification, he was already locking up protestors; conservatives complain that BLM protestors weren't punished but thousands of them were arrested without having broken a single law, and now they have the means to change the laws.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

>2:47 am

are you ok bro?

i was drunk lol

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Then it's time to clean house across the board.

fucking drain that swamp!

 

[idrankyourbeer]

lol, fox won't air the hearings live on their main channel. gotta run interference somehow i guess.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/...te=1&user_id=a925d1964ceb2495ba038a5bd631f7c3

live ive said before, the reason why they won’t cover it is because it’s live and they can’t really splice up the footage and spend absurd amounts of time focusing on little sound bites. basically it’s harder for them to do what they always do: lie and misrepresent and they probably don’t want to take any chances on something this important.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

To me the whole thing was silly until unarmed Ashli Babbit was killed without a verbal warning. This must be looked at more deeply and also investigated once again..

they already looked into it and concluded that the domestic terrorist fucked around and found out. case closed.

as for that patriotic capitol police officer who stared terrorism in the eyes and defended his country, as well as the people of congress who he was sworn to protect? this fine gentleman deserves a medal of honor for his bravery, heroism, and his services to the country.

god bless this man, and all of the other brave police officers who put themselves in the line of duty on january 6'th against a violent mob of treasonist terrorists who staged an attack against their own nation and its democracy.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

oh yeah, cant edit but i forgot to say in that last post, blue lives matter! law and order baby! back the blue!

 

[Arashikage4Life]

Honestly, all of those people stupidly risked their lives. You don't get verbal warnings when you and an angry mob break into a government building with the Senate inside. You're in no fucking around territory, and they are all incredibly lucky that only one of them got lit up. There is no mystery as to why she got shot. The real head scratcher is why more of them didn't. They all had potential red dots on their heads, the moment they crossed the line. It ain't no game in those halls, when you're not invited to be in there. Especially in those circumstances, with a healthy chunk of the most important members of the government inside.

Never thought I'd see the day I liked a Heretic post

 

[machidafan99]

they already looked into it and concluded that the domestic terrorist fucked around and found out. case closed.

as for that patriotic capitol police officer who stared terrorism in the eyes and defended his country, as well as the people of congress who he was sworn to protect? this fine gentleman deserves a medal of honor for his bravery, heroism, and his services to the country.

god bless this man, and all of the other brave police officers who put themselves in the line of duty on january 6'th against a violent mob of treasonist terrorists who staged an attack against their own nation and its democracy.

Yes, I am sure the investigation was without any bias.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Yes, I am sure the investigation was without any bias.

the investigation was spearheaded by the same group of people who made contact to the ghost of hugo chavez, fired up those pesky italian space lasers, turned up the chinese thermostats, set the timer on obama's microwaves, and flipped the magic switch at midnight to switch all of the red votes to blue and steal the election. the god damn deep state strikes again!

 

[Spounman]

If they really wanted to stop that crowd sooner they could have. The most harmless "insurrection" there ever was

Yeah that's why CNN are the only place you hear about it. Deflect from the real problems (BLM, Antifa, etc)

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Yeah that's why CNN are the only place you hear about it. Deflect from the real problems (BLM, Antifa, etc)

pretty sure that the entire free world got to witness the great maga meltdown of 2021, and CNN wasnt the only news outlet covering it. it was the greatest temper tantrum in the history of the nation, and forever will remain a stain to the nations democracy as a bunch of violent and treasonist domestic terrorists got so fed up with their orange leaders lies that they decided to march on over to the capitol building, beat up a bunch of police officers, and smear their shit all over the walls.

 

[Spounman]

it was the greatest temper tantrum in the history of the nation

 

[idrankyourbeer]

oh hey look how mad the left is everybody. after 1671 days, the only material i've been able to find is still a crooked hillary fan crying to the sky!

have you found any new material yet? perhaps its hiding inside of a box in a crackhead pillow salesmans closet, where nobody else will ever see. right next to bunker boys tax return, health care plan, and evidence of election fraud.

 

[machidafan99]

the investigation was spearheaded by the same group of people who made contact to the ghost of hugo chavez, fired up those pesky italian space lasers, turned up the chinese thermostats, set the timer on obama's microwaves, and flipped the magic switch at midnight to switch all of the red votes to blue and steal the election. the god damn deep state strikes again!

Yes, there is no political bias in DC. If you flipped everything the outcome would not be different.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Yes, there is no political bias in DC. If you flipped everything the outcome would not be different.

what do you mean? the left didnt invade the capitol building, beat up a bunch of cops, and smear their shit all over the walls back in 2016 when hillary lost the election.

 

[jimjamjammer]

what do you mean? the left didnt invade the capitol building, beat up a bunch of cops, and smear their shit all over the walls back in 2016 when hillary lost the election.

I think what he is saying is that if you what you described happened, then results would be the same. But he may be being sarcastic as well, IDK

 

[idrankyourbeer]

im not quite sure either but i probably interpreted it wrong