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Crime Jan 6 feelings

The two big takeaways from your "insurrection" were:
A) Americans are kinda soft. Crying about the Jan 6th riot is a whole new level of pathetic - and still pretending it was a wildly big deal over a year later, when it's clearly not a big deal, is almost as ridiculous.
B) The same people who mock the idea that guns could protect anyone from the US government also think that the US government risks being overthrown by a handful of unarmed and disorganized dimwits. These are not people whose opinions should matter.

I wouldnt classify us as ‘soft’ anymore than I would the other western countries in this era. In fact, we have proven just how violent we are, against ourselves and others. In the boxing forum, we were talking about how Ohio could takeover Australia over the course of a business week. It’s kind of funny banter but the underlying fact remains — we are crazy, when not in our usual bubble/coma.

Any comparison to 9/11 is weird and crazy, in my opinion. January 6th was not the worst thing to happen since the civil war. These are all clear to me and many others. But we shouldn’t just poo-poo what occurred , for it was a disgrace. A group of people — egged on by the lies of our president — acted like petulant turds, delayed democracy and our democratic traditions. Anyone who wasn’t embarrassed is either a.) totally partisan, or b.) truly engulfed in the lie that the election was stolen, which is scary itself.
 
I wouldnt classify us as ‘soft’ anymore than I would the other western countries in this era. In fact, we have proven just how violent we are, against ourselves and others. In the boxing forum, we were talking about how Ohio could takeover Australia over the course of a business week. It’s kind of funny banter but the underlying fact remains — we are crazy, when not in our usual bubble/coma.

Any comparison to 9/11 is weird and crazy, in my opinion. January 6th was not the worst thing to happen since the civil war. These are all clear to me and many others. But we shouldn’t just poo-poo what occurred , for it was a disgrace. A group of people — egged on by the lies of our president — acted like petulant turds, delayed democracy and our democratic traditions. Anyone who wasn’t embarrassed is either a.) totally partisan, or b.) truly engulfed in the lie that the election was stolen, which is scary itself.

Being hard and being violent are not the same things. This is like calling Antifa strong just because they're willing to mob up and bully people - the reality is that that behaviour is evidence that they're softies trying to prove that they're something more.
A street gang could probably conquer Australia.

In general, it doesn't look like contemporary American violence or volatility is based on anything other than fear.

Being embarrassed by Jan 6th is one thing. Still pretending it was a big deal and some crisis that genuinely threatened American democracy is pretty soft. There's nothing there but someone's fear of the fragility of your institutions.
Weak, frightened people are easy to distract with non-events.
 
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Being hard and being violent are not the same things. This is like calling Antifa strong just because they're willing to mob up and bully people - the reality is that that behaviour is evidence that they're softies trying to prove that they're something more.
A street gang could probably conquer Australia.

In general, it doesn't look like contemporary American violence or volatility is based on anything other than fear.

You said, “soft,” which is a term that can mean a great deal of things. You wouldn’t call a violent person ‘soft’ (man-to-man), but we’re getting into a boring discussion about language.

In all reality, we aren’t soft. We became so advanced that we got bored. We raped the natural world and made much of its people subservient. Whenever we had a challenge, most Americans — then and now — were in their Americomas, worrying about their lawns and what’s for dinner.
 
Being embarrassed by Jan 6th is one thing. Still pretending it was a big deal and some crisis that genuinely threatened American democracy is pretty soft. There's nothing there but someone's fear of the fragility of your institutions.
Weak, frightened people are easy to distract with non-events.

But that’s the thing: most Americans have moved on. Most Americans saw the story for a couple weeks, and then moved on. These debates mostly exist in partisan pockets, like this here war room. Americans are busy buying guns, waiting for fantasy to start, with their families, working and eating a bunch of food.
 
You said, “soft,” which is a term that can mean a great deal of things. You wouldn’t call a violent person ‘soft’ (man-to-man), but we’re getting into a boring discussion about language.

Not at all. I used the Antifa example purposefully. Most would call them pussies, but few could deny that they're violent. It's not uncommon to refer to hypersentive people, who are easily triggered, "pussies". Would you really deny that calling someone a pussy is roughly the same as calling them "soft"?

This is not a boring discussion about language, it's a discussion about reality, which language is generally used to convey - something that Americans are forgetting.

If your hypersensitivity is the reason you're raging, then you're soft - whether or not your weakness pushes you into conflict.


In all reality, we aren’t soft. We became so advanced that we got bored. We raped the natural world and made much of its people subservient. Whenever we had a challenge, most Americans — then and now — were in their Americomas, worrying about their lawns and what’s for dinner.

This whole "we" thing is pretty misplaced.
The Americans who did those things might well have been hard men and women. But the Americans who are currently enjoying the comforts built by those men and women are not the same people. The latter have been made soft by the conveniences enabled by the former.

But that’s the thing: most Americans have moved on. Most Americans saw the story for a couple weeks, and then moved on. These debates mostly exist in partisan pockets, like this here war room. Americans are busy buying guns, waiting for fantasy to start, with their families, working and eating a bunch of food.

This is fair, but pointing out that most Americans have little-to-no say in the management of their country doesn't really support the idea that they're not soft. Being willing to shoot at problems you lack the will or foresight to prevent isn't necessarily brave or bitch-worthy.
 
Not at all. I used the Antifa example purposefully. Most would call them pussies, but few could deny that they're violent. It's not uncommon to refer to hypersentive people, who are easily triggered, "pussies". Would you really deny that calling someone a pussy is roughly the same as calling them "soft"?

This is not a boring discussion about language, it's a discussion about reality, which language is generally used to convey - something that Americans are forgetting.

If your hypersensitivity is the reason you're raging, then you're soft - whether or not your weakness pushes you into conflict.




This whole "we" thing is pretty misplaced.
The Americans who did those things might well have been hard men and women. But the Americans who are currently enjoying the comforts built by those men and women are not the same people. The latter have been made soft by the conveniences enabled by the former.



This is fair, but pointing out that most Americans have little-to-no say in the management of their country doesn't really support the idea that they're not soft. Being willing to shoot at problems you lack the will or foresight to prevent isn't necessarily brave or bitch-worthy.

Being soft, or “pussies”, has to do with the unwillingness to engage. It can also mean a cowardly act, like beating up an elderly person, cheapshotting, mobbing, etc. It CAN ALSO mean an inability to face the hardships of ‘reality’.

Antifa maybe pussies when they beat up some partisan reporter, or fight counter protesters (something Antifa has grossly done in the past), but they’ve also engaged in open hand-to-hand combat with various groups and law enforcement. I don’t really know how to describe them, for I have only come in contact with them twice. I would say you could consider them pussies (depending on your perspective), not unlike the proud boys or these other groups. Again, I have only come in contact with them a few times, and I was always holding/not intimidated. They didn’t seem soft. Confused? Yes. Most extremist are.

But getting back to most Americans — yes, everything was laid out for us, yet we would do whatever it took. We just don’t need to, because most of the world has been owned; there just isn’t a calling. And Americans don’t lack the foresight or willingness to ‘shoot’. Even back in those so-called hard years, the Americoma existed. In other words, Americans haven’t cared for a very long time, and we’ve set up a country that doesn’t need a whole lot of management from most people.

*sorry about my word use/grammar. I’m tired, man.
 
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I wouldnt classify us as ‘soft’ anymore than I would the other western countries in this era. In fact, we have proven just how violent we are, against ourselves and others. In the boxing forum, we were talking about how Ohio could takeover Australia over the course of a business week. It’s kind of funny banter but the underlying fact remains — we are crazy, when not in our usual bubble/coma.

Any comparison to 9/11 is weird and crazy, in my opinion. January 6th was not the worst thing to happen since the civil war. These are all clear to me and many others. But we shouldn’t just poo-poo what occurred , for it was a disgrace. A group of people — egged on by the lies of our president — acted like petulant turds, delayed democracy and our democratic traditions. Anyone who wasn’t embarrassed is either a.) totally partisan, or b.) truly engulfed in the lie that the election was stolen, which is scary itself.
I think that the act itself on jan 6th wasn’t comparable to something like 9/11. Although people died and got injured. I think that what this act symbolizes (an attack on the democracy) and the whole aura around it is most worrying. That’s why the whole “it was just a bunch of idiots taking selfies” mantra is false. The act itself may have been poorly executed and there were a lot of “bystanders” driven by herd mentality. But what it symbolizes and what was intended is definitely a big deal.
 
To me the whole thing was silly until unarmed Ashli Babbit was killed without a verbal warning. This must be looked at more deeply and also investigated once again.

I think it's okay and healthy to peacefully protest, especially at the "people's house". Many leftists are proud of their protests, sit-ins and taking over buildings in their pasts.

It seems that the right to a speedy trial will be explained away and right wingers do not get treated equally under the law these days.
 
Sounds like you only know authoritarians.

Take something people really care about, then tell them its up to a democratic vote. They'll start philosophizing about "God-given rights" in no time.
 
To me the whole thing was silly until unarmed Ashli Babbit was killed without a verbal warning.

Honestly, all of those people stupidly risked their lives. You don't get verbal warnings when you and an angry mob break into a government building with the Senate inside. You're in no fucking around territory, and they are all incredibly lucky that only one of them got lit up. There is no mystery as to why she got shot. The real head scratcher is why more of them didn't. They all had potential red dots on their heads, the moment they crossed the line. It ain't no game in those halls, when you're not invited to be in there. Especially in those circumstances, with a healthy chunk of the most important members of the government inside.
 
Honestly, all of those people stupidly risked their lives. You don't get verbal warnings when you and an angry mob break into a government building with the Senate inside. You're in no fucking around territory, and they are all incredibly lucky that only one of them got lit up. There is no mystery as to why she got shot. The real head scratcher is why more of them didn't. They all had potential red dots on their heads, the moment they crossed the line. It ain't no game in those halls, when you're not invited to be in there. Especially in those circumstances, with a healthy chunk of the most important members of the government inside.
So an unarmed person attempting to crawl through a window of a public building(the People's House) is a death sentence...gotcha...and noted. No threat assessment needed. Idiot cop can just shoot to kill.
 
So an unarmed person breaking a window is a death sentece...gotcha...and noted.

If said window is that of the Capitol building, and said unarmed person is inside and obviously considered a potential threat to government officials, and isn't known to actually be unarmed, then yes.

Have you ever been to a big government facility on a tour or whatnot? They don't have metal detectors and security up the ass for no reason. You step out of line in there, and yeah, you could very well catch a bullet. It is known. It's not a Walmart.
 
Which at this point it's been the DNC going in without lube. They have the favor of big business and the security state.

Not sure why you aren't directing vitriol towards Pelosi for not beefing up security when it was clear a mob was going to show up when offered that option. Or the FBI for having people participating.

The people that stormed the capitol were morons for falling for this incident, but so are the people that don't see it for what it really is. This was a manipulated event for the purpose of beefing up the security state to be able to crack down on dissent from citizens.

You think the technology they developed as a result of this will be used only against your political opponents?
So you don't think it was Trump and his allies, that had a plan for alternate electors and were begging Pence not to certify, that were behind holding a rally nearby with thousands of supporters and then sending them to the Capitol in hopes of disrupting the certification? It was really the Deep State that was responsible for groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers plotting to disrupt the certification even though those groups are loyal to Trump?
 
I think that the act itself on jan 6th wasn’t comparable to something like 9/11. Although people died and got injured. I think that what this act symbolizes (an attack on the democracy) and the whole aura around it is most worrying. That’s why the whole “it was just a bunch of idiots taking selfies” mantra is false. The act itself may have been poorly executed and there were a lot of “bystanders” driven by herd mentality. But what it symbolizes and what was intended is definitely a big deal.
It's disingenuous to say they were just dimwits taking selfies. They were fodder. Sent in to camouflage the actual groups that plotted to disrupt the certification and were even prepared for violent confrontation to keep Trump from having the election stolen from him.
 
So an unarmed person attempting to crawl through a window of a public building(the People's House) is a death sentence...gotcha...and noted. No threat assessment needed. Idiot cop can just shoot to kill.
You sound completely disingenuous. The people's house? GTFO. It was a violent mob breaking into the Capitol to chase lawakers away while some chanted "Hang Mike Pence"... <puh-lease75>
 
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