Movies Jackie Chan vs Bruce Lee

[Dysto Pian]

I know one thing Bruce Lee would be pro Hong Kong for democracy and was probably taken out just like JFK. Pro Trudeau and Biden Mayberry bitches.

 

[Bacco]

Chan gave me better movies, voted him

Lee would win actor vs actor fist fight

 

[tru3f4n]

He didn't get the chance to make many movies, he died very early in his career.. so how can he compete with Chan who had decades in the industry...

but Chan has actually made some decent movies unlike Lee.

 

[wildchild88]

but Chan has actually made some decent movies unlike Lee.

Because Lee died at the beginning of his career you idiot!! Don't waste my time responding with childish logic!!!!

 

[Plutoburn]

Diff styles

And?

 

[Deleted member 449757]

Because Lee died at the beginning of his career you idiot!! Don't waste my time responding with childish logic!!!!

Incorrect. Bruce Lee died early in his life but his acting carreer started at the tender age of 6 months, because his dad was a famous Hong Kong actor getting him roles since infantry. So he died a 32 year veteran in the film industry. Not the beginning of his career by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[wildchild88]

Incorrect. Bruce Lee died early in his life but his acting carreer started at the tender age of 6 months, because his dad was a famous Hong Kong actor getting him roles since infantry. So he died a 32 year veteran in the film industry. Not the beginning of his career by any stretch of the imagination.

You're such a smart ass..

Lee's first feature film was the big boss - 1971, his last film was enter the dragon released in 1973.. game of death doesn't count, he never finished it..

His first few films were pretty low budget and raw too..

Meanwhile Jackie Chan was crashing buses through whole villages in Police story.. he had a 40 year career in film with much of it being big budget stuff.. stop trolling me asshole..

 

[Deleted member 449757]

You're such a smart ass..

You're rude for no reason.

Lee's first feature film was the big boss - 1971,

Incorrect. Just because you insist his carreer started at Golden Harvest doesn't mean this is the reality.

his last film was enter the dragon released in 1973.. game of death doesn't count, he never finished it..

Why wouldn't it count? It was released commercially both in a butchered feature length version and a raw footage version.

His first few films were pretty low budget and raw too..

They were very boring as well. Like an extension of his soap-opera acting carreer.

Meanwhile Jackie Chan was crashing buses through whole villages in Police story..

I agee. Police Story alone was much better than anything Bruce Lee ever made.

he had a 40 year career in film with much of it being big budget stuff.. stop trolling me asshole..

Stop insulting me.

 

[Madmick]

Chan is a superior actor, humorist, martial arts choreographer, and all-around entertainer. His theatrical skillset in terms of martial arts devours Lee's. Lee just did kata. Jackie can take an everyday item like an umbrella or a ski jacket, and turn it into movie magic.

Jackie was also willing to die for his craft. He was as crazy as the daredevils on their motorcycles.

This isn't even fucking close.

 

[wildchild88]

You're rude for no reason.

Incorrect. Just because you insist his carreer started at Golden Harvest doesn't mean this is the reality.

Why wouldn't it count? It was released commercially both in a butchered feature length version and a raw footage version.

They were very boring as well. Like an extension of his soap-opera acting carreer.

I agee. Police Story alone was much better than anything Bruce Lee ever made.

Stop insulting me.

Before I continue, I would like to say, I love Jackie Chan..

Sure, if you want to include Bruce Lee's hokey soap opera movies from the 50's and 60's and compare them to Jackie Chan's martial arts movies from the 70's (which were all made possible as a result of Lee's groundbreaking work), that's your prerogative.. I get it, you prefer Chan so you will make any argument however ridiculous to make your point..

Chan's movies and career wouldn't have been possible without Bruce Lee, who completely changed the game for martial arts cinema.. he made it a global phenomenon..

Ofcourse his early movies were boring, but it's like comparing early films from Brando and James Dean to work from actors created much later, the budgets were bigger, the production values were better, and they had so much more other content to be drawn from / take influences from..

Chan also never had the depth of philosophy that Lee's had. Enter the dragon and Game of death had deep principles of life and martial arts embedded in them, where as Jackie Chan's movies were for the most part, a LOT of fun.. he's amazing too.

I think his movies are better, but it's just not fair to compare them, Lee never had the opportunity to reach anywhere close to his full potential, he was just getting started at what he wanted to depict / create on screen.

 

[Deleted member 449757]

Before I continue, I would like to say, I love Jackie Chan..

Sure, if you want to include Bruce Lee's hokey soap opera movies from the 50's and 60's and compare them to Jackie Chan's martial arts movies from the 70's (which were all made possible as a result of Lee's groundbreaking work), that's your prerogative.. I get it, you prefer Chan so you will make any argument however ridiculous to make your point..

Chan's movies and career wouldn't have been possible without Bruce Lee, who completely changed the game for martial arts cinema.. he made it a global phenomenon..

Ofcourse his early movies were boring, but it's like comparing early films from Brando and James Dean to work from actors created much later, the budgets were bigger, the production values were better, and they had so much more other content to be drawn from / take influences from..

Chan also never had the depth of philosophy that Lee's had. Enter the dragon and Game of death had deep principles of life and martial arts embedded in them, where as Jackie Chan's movies were for the most part, a LOT of fun.. he's amazing too.

I think his movies are better, but it's just not fair to compare them, Lee never had the opportunity to reach anywhere close to his full potential, he was just getting started at what he wanted to depict / create on screen.

I disagree with many of the things you just said here (the marked parts), but i don't think either of us will be able to change the others mind on that, so let's not argue about those.

An argument i will make though is regarding this statement:

Chan's movies and career wouldn't have been possible without Bruce Lee, who completely changed the game for martial arts cinema.. he made it a global phenomenon..

I completely disagree with this part. Martial Arts cinema (Shaw Brothers in particular) was popular in HK, Taiwan and Japan before Bruce Lee got involved with Golden Harvest and those were the markets Jackie Chan established himself in for a long time before becoming globally famous himself. Jackie Chan was never successful with his serious and sometimes Bruceploitation movies he made with Lo Wei (not even in east asia) until he started doing Kung-Fu Comedies, which, after being accepted by the asian market, did become popular in Europe first (because the style of movie was established by Bud Spencer and Terence Hill there). Jackie Chan's style of movie simply was not accepted in the US market, which is why the Robert Clouse directed Battle Creek Brawl failed and it took until Rumble in the Bronx to make him an actual global attraction. So summarized, none of the three significant markets for Jackie Chan's movies was established by Bruce Lee:

- Martial Arts films in the asian market were established before Bruce Lee while the Kung-Fu Comedy was established by Jackie Chan himself
- Kung-Fu Comedies got over well in the European Markets because the Fighting-Comedy was established by Bud Spencer and Terence Hill before
- The US Market rejected Jackie Chan until Rumble in the Bronx

 

[wildchild88]

I disagree with many of the things you just said here (the marked parts), but i don't think either of us will be able to change the others mind on that, so let's not argue about those.

An argument i will make though is regarding this statement:



I completely disagree with this part. Martial Arts cinema (Shaw Brothers in particular) was popular in HK, Taiwan and Japan before Bruce Lee got involved with Golden Harvest and those were the markets Jackie Chan established himself in for a long time before becoming globally famous himself. Jackie Chan was never successful with his serious and sometimes Bruceploitation movies he made with Lo Wei (not even in east asia) until he started doing Kung-Fu Comedies, which, after being accepted by the asian market, did become popular in Europe first (because the style of movie was established by Bud Spencer and Terence Hill there). Jackie Chan's style of movie simply was not accepted in the US market, which is why the Robert Clouse directed Battle Creek Brawl failed and it took until Rumble in the Bronx to make him an actual global attraction. So summarized, none of the three significant markets for Jackie Chan's movies was established by Bruce Lee:

- Martial Arts films in the asian market were established before Bruce Lee while the Kung-Fu Comedy was established by Jackie Chan himself
- Kung-Fu Comedies got over well in the European Markets because the Fighting-Comedy was established by Bud Spencer and Terence Hill before
- The US Market rejected Jackie Chan until Rumble in the Bronx

Fair argument, although those Bruceploitation were the first big starring roles Jackie had, they gave him the chance to establish himself.. but yes Jackie carved out his own niche and it was glorious..

They are really at other ends of the spectrum and offer completely different things..

But I think there is little denying that Bruce never got the chance to seeing close to his full potential.. he died when his break out film came out..

Anyway, I respect your knowledge, sorry if I was being rude earlier..

 

[Deleted member 449757]

Fair argument, although those Bruceploitation were the first big starring roles Jackie had, they gave him the chance to establish himself.. but yes Jackie carnet out his own niche and it was glorious..

They are really at other ends of the spectrum and offer completely different things..

But I think there is little denying that Bruce never got the chance to seeing close to his full potential.. he died when his break out film came out..

Anyway, I respect your knowledge, sorry if I was being rude earlier..

I understand this sentiment, because i would agree that his films tended to get better continually in my opinion (exception being Way of the Dragon, which i prefer over Enter the Dragon because Enter the Dragon lacked an enjoyable end fight for me). The reason i disagreed was more that i suspect that Bruce Lee's career wouldn't have lasted many decades longer (like with same age Chuck Norris) anyway, because he apparently wasn't in best health (back problems since the disc injury in 1968, tendency to not let his body recover, collapsing during the filming of Enter the Dragon, etc.). My guess is that even if the issues didn't kill him, his body would have eventually broken down to a point where using the occasional double for a stunt or a fight wouldn't have been enough anymore.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

 

[Blayt7hh]

Enter the Dragon is the best movie either of them did. Jackie has the catalogue though. There are a lot of great Chan movies.

 

[GergreG]

Without wanting to offend Bruce was and is overrated. Put Enter the dragon to the side for the moment his other films are not good in any way. He is held up as being the superior martial artist but looking at Fist of fury and the Big boss his martial arts looks slow and sloppy. His gimic of shrieking is a distraction. Compare Fist of fury and Fist of legend and Jet's version is far superior.

Enter the dragon was a giant leap for him. Cool movie.

Purely on movies- I'd have Jackie > Jet and then Bruce down there somewhere with Tony Jaa. Bruce had 1 good movie. Let's not forget that.

 

[John Mabrey]

You're rude for no reason.

Incorrect. Just because you insist his carreer started at Golden Harvest doesn't mean this is the reality.

Why wouldn't it count? It was released commercially both in a butchered feature length version and a raw footage version.

They were very boring as well. Like an extension of his soap-opera acting carreer.

I agee. Police Story alone was much better than anything Bruce Lee ever made.

Stop insulting me.

Lol

 

[John Mabrey]

Without wanting to offend Bruce was and is overrated. Put Enter the dragon to the side for the moment his other films are not good in any way. He is held up as being the superior martial artist but looking at Fist of fury and the Big boss his martial arts looks slow and sloppy. His gimic of shrieking is a distraction. Compare Fist of fury and Fist of legend and Jet's version is far superior.

Enter the dragon was a giant leap for him. Cool movie.

Purely on movies- I'd have Jackie > Jet and then Bruce down there somewhere with Tony Jaa. Bruce had 1 good movie. Let's not forget that.

I watched way of the dragon and game of death pretty recently and didn't like either of them very much. There were some cool fight scenes namely with Kareem Abdul jabbar and chuck norris but I didn't care for the plot much especially in the way of the dragon where he acts like some dumb guy who doesn't know how to eat rice or some shit

 

[Zazen]

Bruce Lee would kick his ass. Not sure Jackie even trains in real fighting

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

Yeah I went there. Bruce helped started it all but Jackie gave him a roundhouse and took the ball and went running.

Bruce Lee

- Enter the Dragon
- Fist of Fury
- The Way of the Dragon
- The Big Boss
- Game of Death


Jackie Chan

- Project A
- Police Story
- Drunken Master II
- Rumble in the Bronx
- Rush Hour

All Bruce Lee films are shite. Nothing good about them all all.