Jack Slack article on Anderson Silva leg break

[Groundmaster]

He's making an assertion with nothing to support it.

Actually there is. Thats why he shows to gifs. You can say two is to small a sample to be of statistical relevance - and i would say you are right. This does not take away the fact that Weidmann speculated on it. In both cases he is ready to check the kick because that is what he expects AS to throw.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Jimmo hurt his knee moving - NOT on a body part of his opponent deliberately placed in the way of his kicks.

Oh and calling Jack Slack a notorious Silva hater shows how for up your ass your head is. Jack saw weaknesses in Silvas game and pointed them out. He himself calls Silve the most prolific striker in MMA to date. If pointing out his weaknesses seems like hating to you you should go seek professional help.

Yes Jack Slack has tons of articles saying how Silva is great lol, I don't understand how he can be a hater. He pointed flaws because that's his job

 

[kflo]

Actually there is. Thats why he shows to gifs. You can say two is to small a sample to be of statistical relevance - and i would say you are right. This does not take away the fact that Weidmann speculated on it. In both cases he is ready to check the kick because that is what he expects AS to throw.

He checked the kick because he was prepared to check kicks. You don't need to know in advance.

 

[TH1RTE3N]

Jimmo hurt his knee moving - NOT on a body part of his opponent deliberately placed in the way of his kicks.

Oh and calling Jack Slack a notorious Silva hater shows how for up your ass your head is. Jack saw weaknesses in Silvas game and pointed them out. He himself calls Silve the most prolific striker in MMA to date. If pointing out his weaknesses seems like hating to you you should go seek professional help.

I've been seeing Jack Slacks writings for a while. He's nothing more than one of many Fedor fanatics that can't wait to discredit Silva. He's posted here and has made that clear to me. He's a wordsmith that loves combat sports, not a ex-fighter that happens to write and has more extensive knowledge or anything like that. Stop taking his word like it's scripture. His opinions and point of views really aren't anymore valuable than you or mines when it comes to fighting. He's a couch potato that gets paid to write his opinions & POVs about fights.

 

[Groundmaster]

He checked the kick because he was prepared to check kicks. You don't need to know in advance.

And this does not tell you he expected a kick how? Of course he could not be a 100% sure that Silve would throw back a kick - but it obviously seemed more likely then Silva going for a double leg or a punch - hence the readiness to check the kick.

You can never be ready for everything the opponent is going to do ( esp in MMA ) which means that if you want to be reactive you have to plan for the most likely outcome(s). In this case a low kick seemed likely enough for Weidmann to take up a stance which furthens his chances in checking a kick while somewhat compromising his movement and TDD.

 

[Groundmaster]

I've been seeing Jack Slacks writings for a while. He's nothing more than one of many Fedor fanatics that can't wait to discredit Silva. He's posted here and has made that clear to me. He's a wordsmith that loves combat sports, not a ex-fighter that happens to write and has more extensive knowledge or anything like that. Stop taking his word like it's scripture. His opinions and point of views really aren't anymore valuable than you or mines when it comes to fighting. He's a couch potato that gets paid to write his opinions & POVs about fights.

You sure are dumb as fuck or have not read his articles. His arguments are clear and reasonable and he backs them up with tons of evidence. This is more than can be said of the average sherdog poster (aka you and me).

 

[kflo]

And this does not tell you he expected a kick how? Of course he could not be a 100% sure that Silve would throw back a kick - but it obviously seemed more likely then Silva going for a double leg or a punch - hence the readiness to check the kick.

You can never be ready for everything the opponent is going to do ( esp in MMA ) which means that if you want to be reactive you have to plan for the most likely outcome(s). In this case a low kick seemed likely enough for Weidmann to take up a stance which furthens his chances in checking a kick while somewhat compromising his movement and TDD.

He made the point that he was baiting him so he could check the kick. That seems farfetched and supported by nothing. That he was able to check the kick says nothing about baiting.

 

[kflo]

You sure are dumb as fuck or have not read his articles. His arguments are clear and reasonable and he backs them up with tons of evidence. This is more than can be said of the average sherdog poster (aka you and me).

His articles have done exactly that. He has his biases. That's fine, we all do.

 

[wookie brawl]

Jack Slack is the Noam Chomsky of fight journalism. Excellent article.

 

[Redhawks100]

Wait, is this the guy that was talking up Zulu's striking? This dude lacks any credibility whatsoever.

 

[egk]

how is he concluding that weidman intentionally was trying to draw a kick out of silva?

chris had no set up on his kick either. but his was a trap?

Don't take this as me claiming something because I'm going only by vague memory of the first fight. Jack or Weidman's camp may have looked closer.

I thought it was something picked up in the first fight where every time Weidman tried a kick, Anderson would answer with one of his own.

 

[Paradigm]

I did muay thai for a little over 2 years and we always trained to turn the hip over in low kicks and to block with the knee when you could.

I can't remember how many of my friends who got would play fight me would be on the ground holding their shins after one checked leg kick.

The aim in checking is both to defend and to injure. The actual break occured because the kick was thrown with ferocious speed and checked perfectly.

And it is very possible to snap a previously uninjured shin with one perfect check on a kick at the speed Silva throws them

haha...that's just mean but that's what I do with my friends that don't train. sometimes, they'll start to play fight by punching me so ill throw a kick lightly at their leg. they always seem to have to throw one back and then I check their kick and they always end up holding their shin in pain.

now that I think about it, I guess that's what Chris did to Anderson...

 

[Hades86]

I've been seeing Jack Slacks writings for a while. He's nothing more than one of many Fedor fanatics that can't wait to discredit Silva. He's posted here and has made that clear to me. He's a wordsmith that loves combat sports, not a ex-fighter that happens to write and has more extensive knowledge or anything like that. Stop taking his word like it's scripture. His opinions and point of views really aren't anymore valuable than you or mines when it comes to fighting. He's a couch potato that gets paid to write his opinions & POVs about fights.

Butt hurt Anderson fan...... Is butt hurt. :icon_cry2

 

[ib313]

I've been seeing Jack Slacks writings for a while. He's nothing more than one of many Fedor fanatics that can't wait to discredit Silva. He's posted here and has made that clear to me. He's a wordsmith that loves combat sports, not a ex-fighter that happens to write and has more extensive knowledge or anything like that. Stop taking his word like it's scripture. His opinions and point of views really aren't anymore valuable than you or mines when it comes to fighting. He's a couch potato that gets paid to write his opinions & POVs about fights.

boo fucking hoo


why does he list him as the top striker in MMA?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1575450-jack-slacks-top-7-strikers-in-mma-to-date

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...he-best-anderson-silvas-muay-thai-clinch-work

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pider-fights-which-made-anderson-silva-part-1

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pider-fights-which-made-anderson-silva-part-2

fuckwit

maybe you only read

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1687489-killing-the-king-anderson-silva

 

[aries]

All this talk of purposefully baiting the kick makes no sense. Why? Because checking carries a risk to the checker as well as the kicker. Yes done well it works in the checkers favour but it's not a good strategy if your sole intent is to injure the other guy because you risk injuring yourself. Jack writes a good article but he's not a muay thai guy so that's where he starts to slip for me in terms of credibility.

It's well known that when someone kicks against a kicker they will very often counter straight back with a kick. From that perspective it's wise to be ready with a check. It's just the same as if you throw a jab, the counter to that is a jab. So you are ready with your jab defence, the most basic is the rear hand catch or parry.

If you want to draw a jab you'd throw a jab, however drawing a kick in order to check it is stupid because you risk injuring yourself. I don't believe Weidman threw that body kick with the intent of being able to counter check Andersons kick with the sole purpose of damaging him. You check to stop the attackers low kicking game, to dissuade him from throwing anymore. And that is the desired outcome to stop him kicking. Injuring him is nice plus but it's just a bonus. If you make him afraid to kick low again then mission accomplished.

 

[kflo]

All this talk of purposefully baiting the kick makes no sense. Why? Because checking carries a risk to the checker as well as the kicker. Yes done well it works in the checkers favour but it's not a good strategy if your sole intent is to injure the other guy because you risk injuring yourself. Jack writes a good article but he's not a muay thai guy so that's where he starts to slip for me in terms of credibility.

It's well known that when someone kicks against a kicker they will very often counter straight back with a kick. From that perspective it's wise to be ready with a check. It's just the same as if you throw a jab, the counter to that is a jab. So you are ready with your jab defence, the most basic is the rear hand catch or parry.

If you want to draw a jab you'd throw a jab, however drawing a kick in order to check it is stupid because you risk injuring yourself. I don't believe Weidman threw that body kick with the intent of being able to counter check Andersons kick with the sole purpose of damaging him. You check to stop the attackers low kicking game, to dissuade him from throwing anymore. And that is the desired outcome to stop him kicking. Injuring him is nice plus but it's just a bonus. If you make him afraid to kick low again then mission accomplished.

you didn't think it was neat?

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

All this talk of purposefully baiting the kick makes no sense. Why? Because checking carries a risk to the checker as well as the kicker. Yes done well it works in the checkers favour but it's not a good strategy if your sole intent is to injure the other guy because you risk injuring yourself. Jack writes a good article but he's not a muay thai guy so that's where he starts to slip for me in terms of credibility.

It's well known that when someone kicks against a kicker they will very often counter straight back with a kick. From that perspective it's wise to be ready with a check. It's just the same as if you throw a jab, the counter to that is a jab. So you are ready with your jab defence, the most basic is the rear hand catch or parry.

If you want to draw a jab you'd throw a jab, however drawing a kick in order to check it is stupid because you risk injuring yourself. I don't believe Weidman threw that body kick with the intent of being able to counter check Andersons kick with the sole purpose of damaging him. You check to stop the attackers low kicking game, to dissuade him from throwing anymore. And that is the desired outcome to stop him kicking. Injuring him is nice plus but it's just a bonus. If you make him afraid to kick low again then mission accomplished.

I can't believe people are actually going to claim that Chris baited him with a kick, to get a kick back,.. just so he could check it.

Here is the thing,...If Chris was doing that, and knew what he would get back from his kick,.. then why does he start out blocking high with his hands? Why is his reaction and look on his face, one of rushed worry?

As soon as Anderson starts to kick, Chris blocks high with his hands. That lets me know, he thought a high attack was incoming, then he dropped one low and changed his defense to a leg check at the last second and things just went right for him.

Chris is an amazing fighter.
This was a legit win.

That being said, people need to stop making things up about the situation. It is a simple situation, with a freakish outcome. The guy really drilled his leg checks and did his best with them, but this wasn't set up and he didn't break his shin on purpose.

 

[IamStryker]

but this wasn't set up and he didn't break his shin on purpose.

On purpose?? What does that even mean? Your trying to say that he didn't know that it would break? Well duh. No one could have known that it would break. It was the best case scenerio. He meant to block and hurt Silva with a great check and he did. From Weidmans view point I'm sure it was completely on purpose. Breaking someones leg is within the realm of possibility so how is it not on purpose?

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

On purpose?? What does that even mean? Your trying to say that he didn't know that it would break? Well duh. No one could have known that it would break. It was the best case scenerio. He meant to block and hurt Silva with a great check and he did. From Weidmans view point I'm sure it was completely on purpose. Breaking someones leg is within the realm of possibility so how is it not on purpose?

I was pretty clear about it.
There are people saying that his complete intent was to break his leg.
Now there are people saying he set up the kick in order to do it.

I just proved with the gif that is not true.
He started off blocking high,.. thinking a high attack of some sort was coming, saw the low kick at the last second and did a "Panic Check".

His first leg check was setup and done much better. He had a much better read on it and more time to check properly and when he did that, he did it much lower on his shin. So I think that is more of an indicator of his intended technique.

Either way you cut it, he trained to do good leg checks and he pulled one really great one off. The result was still a fluke and I know it wasn't his intention as he was panic checking.

 

[IamStryker]

Seems like a wild theory to think that he was setting it up and intended for it to break.

However calling it a fluke is just as silly. Doing something well and getting the best result isn't a fluke. Its no more a fluke than Andersons front kick to Vitors face.