Jack Dempsey-Championship Fighting: Explosive Punching & Aggressive defense Book

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Anybody ever read this? I'm about 1/3 of the way through it and it's interesting. He talks in depth about the importance of taking a falling step for the jab (he calls it the straight jolt) & explains it by using an analogy of a kid sliding down a hill on a sled. He also says that the jab should be landed with a vertical fist.
 
i love that book. I like his ideas on throwing the straight and overhand right. The techniques certainly did improve my power on those two punches specifically.
 
goldennboy said:
You don't know anything about what goes on inside the boxing world when it comes to training and the actual boxing that's going on.
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Excuse me? Go watch a Maidana fight before you talk boxing. You act like your Cuz D'amato but you have the most nonsensical posts. You embarrass yourself with ignorance then go 'well I actually train so I know whats going on' when people call you out. Guess what I fight too. Now tell me, do you jab with your fist vertical?

Seriously I want you to explain to me what punches should land with the fist held vertically.
 
What a tool this clown is. He makes the dumbest ports then falls back on this "I know what's going on with the actual boxing" defense, yet seems to think Broner not only isn't a flaws fighter but is actually a Sweet Pea reincarnation. If you think the jab should be landed with a vertical fist, then that pretty much negates your whole schtick and you are the most useless poster here.
 
I think I've read about a very good British champ that pretty much learned to box in his early career relying primarily on this book. Maybe Jock McEvoy?

Anyway, never read it but sounds interesting. Dempsey seemed like such a brawler, but I guess it would be naive to think he didn't understand the science behind boxing. Unless the author was "The Real" Jack Dempsey?
 
great read, i've tried to incorporate some of his ideas when im training. for anyone interested in reading it its open source so if you google it you can download the pdf for free from numerous sites.
 
WatchMeDoMe said:
Seriously I want you to explain to me what punches should land with the fist held vertically.
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to answer in a non trolling fashion...

in the book dempsey posits that the vertical fist offers more strength and stability than the horizontal fist due to what he calls your "power line" or some such (its been a while since i've read it so forgive me if i have the terms wrong), i.e. you're bones/skeleton/whatever line up in the most robust way. he describes an experiment to show this were you stand a couple of feet away from a wall, put your arm out and rest against the wall on your 3 lower knuckles, first with a vertical fist and then with a horizontal fist and see which feels the firmest. so he says when throwing a straight to hit with a vertical fist.

im no expert on this by any means but thats how dempsey lays it out.
 
A lot of guys throw the hook with a vertical fist including myself. I asked a bunch of people about this and you can do it either way but a lot of guys will throw the hook like that, including guys like Floyd, Donaire, etc. I think most people throw it that way tbh. You have to throw the hook vertically to the body as well or it won't work. As for other punches, I haven't seen anybody throw them that way that I can remember.
 
Wow this book is great.

"Your fist, exploded forward by the solid power behind it, has such terrific "follow-through" that it can snap back an opponent's head like that of a shot duck. It can smash his nose, knock out his teeth, break his jaw, stun him, floor him, knock him out."

Man descriptive language is such a pleasure to read in the context of fighting.
 
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BluntTrauma21 said:
A lot of guys throw the hook with a vertical fist including myself. I asked a bunch of people about this and you can do it either way but a lot of guys will throw the hook like that, including guys like Floyd, Donaire, etc. I think most people throw it that way tbh. You have to throw the hook vertically to the body as well or it won't work. As for other punches, I haven't seen anybody throw them that way that I can remember.
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Seems like you would lose some impact that way. Don't you get more of a slapping impact than you would with the fist turned?
 
Harrison scored a KO with a horizontal wrist and got hammered here for it.
 
Seano said:
Seems like you would lose some impact that way. Don't you get more of a slapping impact than you would with the fist turned?
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I use the vertical fist position when throwing the hook also. I asked my trainer about it and he said whatever feels most natural is the correct way for you. I actually find it adds a bit of snap.
 
The vertical fist on a hook is just a lazy way to throw a hook. You should be rotating your fist through each punch, anyway. Ideally, you should end up with almost a vertical fist...the other way. As in with your palm facing out.
 
I thought the reason to turn the fist over was to add snap to the punch?
 
sh1tehawke said:
to answer in a non trolling fashion...

in the book dempsey posits that the vertical fist offers more strength and stability than the horizontal fist due to what he calls your "power line" or some such (its been a while since i've read it so forgive me if i have the terms wrong), i.e. you're bones/skeleton/whatever line up in the most robust way. he describes an experiment to show this were you stand a couple of feet away from a wall, put your arm out and rest against the wall on your 3 lower knuckles, first with a vertical fist and then with a horizontal fist and see which feels the firmest. so he says when throwing a straight to hit with a vertical fist.

im no expert on this by any means but thats how dempsey lays it out.
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If I understand what I've read in the book about it, this guy kind of explains it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGM6fQ2Y2yI

I'm not sold on it by any means but it is interesting.
 
WatchMeDoMe said:
The vertical fist on a hook is just a lazy way to throw a hook. You should be rotating your fist through each punch, anyway. Ideally, you should end up with almost a vertical fist...the other way. As in with your palm facing out.
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If it works for someone to use a vertical fist position i don't understand why that should be considered lazy.
 
Spirit Breaker said:
If it works for someone to use a vertical fist position i don't understand why that should be considered lazy.
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Because it is. I mean most of my own left hooks land vertically fisted. You can't always get a perfect punch in. But given the oppertunity to throw with perfect technique, the punch should land with your fore arm parallel to the floor and your fist horizontal. Then you, using your shoulder muscles, strap your elbow up, which rotates the fist outward
 
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