Izzy is a more skilled fighter than Pereira

[achoo42]

But he was performing a Master Class against Izzy in their most recent fight, schooling TF out of him. Alex got caught in their last one; hey, it happens.

I agree that Pereira beat Izzy for most of their fourth fight. In that case you also have to admit that Izzy was schooling Pereira in their first MMA fight before he got caught.

Or that Izzy was very close to knocking out Pereira in their second kickboxing fight before he got caught.

You can't just say "Alex just got caught in their fourth fight" and then refuse to admit the times that Izzy was winning before the knockout.

All evidence points to them being a pretty much even matchup, with Izzy being more skilled and Pereira being more powerful.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

I didn't have to include amateurs, dum-dum.

So why bring it up? Idiot.

There are hundreds of pro heavyweight boxers. There's a top 100 world rankings, for Chrissake. Every regional scene has a a dozen or so heavyweights and there are dozens of regional scenes around the world.

Or are you gonna deny that too?

Someone just discovered Boxrec. Were you looking up Wilder's record?

Hahaha. Let me guess, you thought the only heavyweights that existed were the ESPN Top 15. Hahaha.

I've been a fan of boxing longer than you've been alive.

This thread is going wonderfully for you. Lol

 

[achoo42]

So why bring it up? Idiot.

Because saying "the heavyweight division" doesn't necessarily specify professional or amateurs, so if you included every heavyweight in the world, there would be thousands. Not that it matters because you're wrong either way.

I've been a fan of boxing longer than you've been alive.

And yet somehow you know so little about this sport that you still needed me to explain to you that there are dozens of regional scenes and hundreds of heavyweights. Hahahaha.

 

[achoo42]

Someone just discovered Boxrec. Were you looking up Wilder's record?

Boxrec literally has 1,387 active heavyweights listed on their records and you still decided to come after me for saying that Wilder had a better resume than 99% of them.

Oh, the irony.

 

[Poatan Power]

Huh? Izzy is faster, Alex is more powerful, but that's about it. Why are you even babbling about skill? Unless you're a thai coach holding pads every day I don't think you have any idea wtf you're talking about. What parameters are you using to evaluate their skill? Their skill levels are so negligible compared to one another it's barely worth discussing. And in any event, 3-1. Nothing else really matters all that much.

 

[Here's Johnny!]

If Izzy is a more skilled kickboxer, then he shouldn't have lost twice in kickboxing (including being knocked senseless) to Alex. The same Alex who has a vastly superior kickboxing record.

Vastly superior record eh? No bias? Got it.

 

[achoo42]

Huh? Izzy is faster, but that's about it. Why are you even babbling about skill?

Because you don't win the majority of rounds against someone bigger, longer, and stronger than you without being more skilled.

I think Israel's clear advantage is in defensive skill. He's faster, yes, but also has much better head movement than Pereira who is often content to eat shots as they come. I don't think I need to be their coach to discern this.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Because saying "the heavyweight division" doesn't necessarily specify professional or amateurs

LOL. We were discussing the record of a professional boxer and an ex world title holder, you cretin.

so if you included every heavyweight in the world, there would be thousands. Not that it matters because even if you did specify professionals, you'd still be wrong.

And obviously only a total fucking idiot would include every HW in the world, regardless if pro or amateur in this discussion.

That would be you, if you're still struggling.

And yet somehow you know so little about this sport that you still needed me to explain to you that there are dozens of regional scenes and hundreds of heavyweights. Hahahaha.

Hey, it's your fairy tale, tell it how you like.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Vastly superior record eh? No bias? Got it.

Two weight Glory World champion vs no weight Glory World champion.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

I agree that Pereira beat Izzy for most of their fourth fight. In that case you also have to admit that Izzy was schooling Pereira in their first MMA fight before he got caught.

Or that Izzy was very close to knocking out Pereira in their second kickboxing fight before he got caught.

You can't just say "Alex just got caught in their fourth fight" and then refuse to admit the times that Izzy was winning before the knockout.

All evidence points to them being a pretty much even matchup, with Izzy being more skilled and Pereira being more powerful.

I agree with what you're trying to say ... hey, look, they are both neck-and-neck.

But Alex has the more technical skills — Izzy is just much faster.

Speed ≠ skill.

I think Izzy lacks in a lot of fundamentals, but he's very fast, and very athletic.

In my opinion, Alex Pereira has by far the more well-rounded skill set, by far the more power, but he is slower than Izzy.

It takes a while for Alex to catch up with him, but when Alex does catch up, Izzy has no answer ,,, once his speed and stamina are sapped.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Boxrec literally has 1,387 active heavyweights listed on their records and you still decided to come after me for saying that Wilder had a better resume than 99% of them.

Oh, the irony.

You did look it up! <45>

 

[achoo42]

You did look it up! <45>

Yeah, because I don't go around memorizing exactly how many heavyweight boxers there are in the world.

Hey, it's your fairy tale, tell it how you like.

I don't need to make up a fairy tale, it's all written on these boards unless you wanna be pussy and delete the messages where you were caught being a dumbfuck.

I said Wilder has a better resume than 99% of his division. There are 1387 active professional heavyweights according to Boxrec.

If you don't think Wilder is amongst the 13-14 best resumes in the division, I don't know what the fuck else there is to say.

 

[Miokink026]

At the end of the day, Alex is 3-1.

They are 1-1 in MMA, a sport where Izzy has both experience and youth on his side. Titty transitioned way back and is making a full career out of this Alex is basically a retired kick boxer doing MMA at 36. He still isn't fully used to the grappling and smaller gloves and at his age he probably won't ever be yet in their most recent fight Izzy was losing the striking battle.

That said, there are so many factors at play that isolating pure skill is pretty hard to do. A person's other attributes will actively and passively change the way another person prepares for him. Alexs power is no joke, and Izzy had to keep that in mind. In the end, their skills are currently so close to each other it's pointless to debate who is better.

It would be the best to see Alex and Izzy rematch at 205 one last time.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

I don't need to make up a fairy tale, it's all written on these boards unless you wanna be pussy and delete your dumbass messages.

I said Wilder has a better resume than 99% of his division. There are 1387 active professional heavyweights according to Boxrec.

If you don't think Wilder is amongst the 13-14 best resumes in the division, I don't know what the fuck else there is to say.

I'm not the pussy who is going back and editing my posts. Again, that would be you.

 

[achoo42]

But Alex has the more technical skills — Izzy is just much faster.

I don't think Alex has the more technical skills. I think offensively, they are almost even in skills with Izzy being faster and Alex more powerful. I think the big difference is that Adesanya's defensive skills—mainly head movement—are much superior.

I really don't rate Alex's head movement very highly at all, and if he had good head movement he probably could have destroyed Israel in their fourth fight.

 

[achoo42]

I'm not the pussy who is going back and editing my posts. Again, that would be you.

Lol. I edited my post only because you had said something new and I didn't want to make a new message to cover it. The content is identical.

You wanna keep changing the subject because you just got horribly embarrassed? Be my guest.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

I don't think Alex has the more technical skills. I think offensively, they are almost even in skills but Adesanya's defensive skills—mainly head movement—are much superior.

I really don't rate Alex's head movement very highly at all, and if he had good head movement he would have destroyed Israel in their second fight.

I can agree with this small aspect of the game, defensively.

We concur that Alex lacks in this.

Offensively, however, Alex can KO (flatline) any man with both hands, knees and kicks, with one shot.

He also has a far more versatile leg-kicking attack.

 

[achoo42]

I can agree with this small aspect of the game, defensively.

We concur that Alex lacks in this.

Offensively, however, Alex can KO (flatline) any man with both hands, knees and kicks, with one shot.

He also has a far more versatile leg-kicking attack.

Yes, but that's because of his power and not his skill. Pereira and Adesanya's offensive skill are almost even but Adesanya's defensive skill is much superior, making him technically superior overall.

I do think Pereira is the more effective striker, meaning that he has a better chance of beating other strikers mainly due to his power. But he's not the "best kickboxer in the UFC"—I still think Adesanya is because his defense is better.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Lol. I edited my post only because you had said something new and I didn't want to make a new message to cover it. The content is identical.

You replied to my post, which remains unedited. Then you went back and edited your reply. You could have just replied to my new post. Pussy.

You wanna keep changing the subject because you just got horribly embarrassed? Be my guest.

I'm not the one who brought up a boxer. That was you. Idiot.

 

[achoo42]

I'm not the one who brought up a boxer. That was you. Idiot.

I brought up Wilder because poor little baby was having trouble understanding the difference between effectiveness and skill.

Wilder is effective. That's why he has a better resume than 99% of the division.

Wilder is not skilled. He is effective and has a superior resume because he is powerful.

If you understand that, we can move on to understanding why Pereira could be 3-1 against Adesanya despite being less skilled than him.

Little baby steps.