Izzy is a more skilled fighter than Pereira

[The Bloody Nine]

It seems like it's impossible for your brain to separate the concept of effectiveness and skill. Ngannou is effective because he's powerful, not because he's skilled. Izzy is effective because he's skilled, not because he's powerful. Did you know that there is a difference?

Oh, and if you had even bothered to watch the two kickboxing fights, you'd know that Izzy was schooling Pereira in both fights. In the first he was robbed by the judges, in the second, he was robbed by the referee. I thought everyone knew this by now but guess some people are willfully ignorant.

I've seen both of them. The first was close. The second one wasn't.

Now, please list Izzy's kickboxing accolades. Given that he's "more skilled" than Alex, they will definitely put Alex's in the shade. Right?

 

[achoo42]

Izzy is more skilled but is he the better fighter?

He's the better MMA fighter. He's not a better kickboxer in terms of overall effectiveness.

Having grenades in your left hook goes a long way in combat sports

 

[Ropeee]

It's interesting that you use the word equalize, because it suggests that they aren't equal without that power. Why? Because Alex is less skilled.

Izzy did also beat Alex in their first pure striking fight (regardless of what the judges say) and probably would have gotten a TKO over Alex in the 2nd fight if not for some shitty refereeing.

Alex won the 1st fight clown soft punches don't count in Kickboxing

 

[achoo42]

I've seen both of them. The first was close. The second one wasn't.

It wasn't close, not even when the referee magically gave Alex a standing count when he was about to be KO'd?

Now, please list Izzy's kickboxing accolades. Given that he's "more skilled" than Alex, they will definitely put Alex's in the shade. Right?

Deontay Wilder is one of the least skilled heavyweights in the division and yet he has a better resume than 99% of the heavyweight division.

Can your tiny brain answer why that is? Or do I have to explain to you again the difference between effectiveness and skill?

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Deontay Wilder is one of the least skilled heavyweights in the division and yet he has a better resume than 99% of the heavyweight division.

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHhahahahahahahah. Clueless fucking idiot, or troll.

 

[achoo42]

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHhahahahahahahah. Clueless fucking idiot, or troll.

So...you think Deontay Wilder is a skilled heavyweight? Or you don't think he has a good resume for his division?

Which one is it? Because either one is objectively false.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

So...you think Deontay Wilder is a skilled heavyweight? Or you don't think he has a good resume for his division?

Which one is it? Because either one is objectively false.

His resume is total garbage. Over 40 fights and his biggest "win" is a draw with Tyson Fury (and he lost that one, too).

Name Wilder's best win. I need another laugh. Ortiz? Now name HIS best win. You don't know anything about kickboxing, and you don't know shit about actual boxing.

 

[achoo42]

His resume is total garbage. Over 40 fights and his biggest "win" is a draw with Tyson Fury (and he lost that one, too).

Name Wilder's best win. I need another laugh. Ortiz? Now name HIS best win. You don't know anything about kickboxing, and you don't know shit about actual boxing.

What the fuck are you on about?

No one is comparing Wilder to a Foreman or a Frazier. We're talking about the current heavyweight division, obviously his resume is better than most heavyweights in the division. Or do you not agree with that either?

I feel like I'm talking to a fucking toddler who needs his hand held on his way to potty training.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

What the fuck are you on about?

No one is comparing Wilder to a Foreman or a Frazier. We're talking the current heavyweight division, obviously his resume is better than most heavyweights in the division. Or do you not agree with that either?

I feel like I'm talking to a fucking toddler.

You said better than 99 percent of the division, you fucking moron.

 

[15089371]

What does it mean if the skills wasn't able to overcome the combination of skill and power of the other person? Nothing. You can be the most skilled guy but it don't matter if you get knocked out in the last second of the fight, and that's what happened two times.

 

[EYEKICKFACES]

I thought the kids were back to school this week. I guess TS mom didn't get him to the bus stop in time this morning.

 

[achoo42]

You said better than 99 percent of the division, you fucking moron.

There are fucking hundreds of heavyweights out there from the regionals to the world scene. You include amateurs and there are fucking thousands.

Jesus, I really am talking to a toddler.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

There are fucking hundreds of heavyweights out there from the regionals to the world scene. You include amateurs and there are fucking thousands.

Jesus, I really am talking to a toddler.

Why would you include amateurs when discussing professional boxers? I'm curious. Are you really this stupid? Any chance you could sub a toddler in for you? The toddler would have more sense.

 

[humdizzle]

Alex is 3-1. it doesn't matter what you think about the first fight, thats the judges score. Should we overturn izzy's split decision win over vettori several years ago ?

on top of that Alex beat Jan B... who absolutely shut down Izzy's offense and outgrappled him

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

Pereira was a 2 weight Glory champ, Izzy never won a belt in Glory. Alex is 3-1 against Izzy with the 1 loss being via Izzy catching Pereira when Pereira got reckless chasing the finish. Izzy lost to Jan Blachowicz, Alex beat Jan. I'd say Pereira is more skilled.

 

[NovaJon93]

Izzy is the better fighter in MMA and kickboxing is close but I'd give the edge to Alex. Izzy has the better statistical record in kickboxing but Pereira reached championship heights which cannot be overlooked.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Pereira was a 2 weight Glory champ, Izzy never won a belt in Glory. Alex is 3-1 against Izzy with the 1 loss being via Izzy catching Pereira when Pereira got reckless chasing the finish. Izzy lost to Jan Blachowicz, Alex beat Jan. I'd say Pereira is more skilled.

Oh, look, someone actually listed their respective kickboxing achievements.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

This should be obvious, and yet there are people everywhere calling Pereira the most skilled kickboxer in the UFC.

Izzy is more skilled than Pereira. He always has been.

Izzy's won at least 8 out of the 13 rounds that they fought, all while being shorter, weaker, and less powerful. He's knocked him out and anyone with eyes can tell that he beat him in their first kickboxing match (and arguably their second as well).

If Alex is truly the more skilled fighter, he shouldn't be dropping rounds or getting knocked out by someone weaker, shorter, less powerful, and less skilled than him.

As far as effectiveness in striking, Alex has an edge. But in terms of pure skill, Izzy is superior.

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Ive said the same thing on here before bro i agree .

Alex just has the ultimate equalizer in Power , everything else is either similar or he's behind Izzy...

Alex is however among the elite of MMA in kickboxing if we are speaking in more general sense... Hes made thet obvious against guys like Strickland...who was being talked about for his effective in the pocket style striking and then Alex just effortlessly eliminated him..

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

This should be obvious, and yet there are people everywhere calling Pereira the most skilled kickboxer in the UFC.

Izzy is more skilled than Pereira. He always has been.

Izzy's won at least 8 out of the 13 rounds that they fought, all while being shorter, weaker, and less powerful. He's knocked him out and anyone with eyes can tell that he beat him in their first kickboxing match (and arguably their second as well).

If Alex is truly the more skilled fighter, he shouldn't be dropping rounds or getting knocked out by someone weaker, shorter, less powerful, and less skilled than him.

As far as effectiveness in striking, Alex has an edge. But in terms of pure skill, Izzy is superior.

Wrong.

Alex = BY FAR the more skilled.
Izzy = faster. Only

From a purely technique standpoint, with more ways to win and KO an opponent, Alex is, by far, the better fighter ... As the 3-1 Alex / Izzy win disparity would suggest.

As the fact Alex became a Dual Glory Champion, when Izzy could never win one Championship in Glory ...

Alex then beat Izzy for the MW UFC championship ... breaking him down over a sustained effort.

In the last fight, it was ironic that Alex Pereira was actually decimating Israel Adesanya throughout both rounds. Alex was out-landing Izzy 2-1, and a 66% to 31% percentage ratio.

Alex got caught in their last one; hey, it happens.

But he was performing a Master Class against Izzy in their most recent fight, schooling TF out of him.

Maybe that's why Izzy refused to fight Alex again, running home giggling with his "only victory" in four fights.

 

[achoo42]

Why would you include amateurs when discussing professional boxers? I'm curious. Are you really this stupid?

I didn't have to include amateurs, dum-dum. There are hundreds of pro heavyweight boxers. There's a top 100 world rankings, for Chrissake. Every regional scene has a dozen or so heavyweights and there are dozens of regional scenes around the world.

Or are you gonna deny that too?

Any chance you could sub a toddler in for you? The toddler would have more sense.

Hahaha. Let me guess, you thought the only heavyweights that existed were the ESPN Top 15. Hahaha.