It's insane that Sakuraba actually beat Randleman

[listrahtes]

WW Saku beat HW Randleman and LHWs Rampage + Vitor.

Prime Sakuraba beats any WW in MMA history

Agree. People dont even begin to understand how good Saku was.

 

[E Undead]

Dude, Randleman was not that good. He and the rest of Hammer House refused to evolve and relied exclusively on wrestling and strength (AKA roids). They kept getting submitted by smaller fighters but somehow never learned how to defend them. He also got KTFO by Chuck for the same reason: never evolved.

Evolved enough to KTFO Cro Cop in his next fight

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Dude, Randleman was not that good. He and the rest of Hammer House refused to evolve and relied exclusively on wrestling and strength (AKA roids). They kept getting submitted by smaller fighters but somehow never learned how to defend them. He also got KTFO by Chuck for the same reason: never evolved.

This always comes up but really who did they actually loose to? it was mostly very high level sub fighters like Nog, Fedor, Sakuraba, etc If Randleman had a problem I think it was less technique and more being flakey.

Alot of talk of "evolved modern sub games" it think is the result of fighters very rarely having to face elite submission offence anymore.

 

[horc00]

Because they fought the likes of Igor, Rampage and Cro Cop? Who have they even fought?

Most of those guys he listed wouldn't even fight present-day old man Cro Cop, let alone prime Cro Cop.

 

[JarlSkuld]

Pride paid Rampage more to take a dive againat Saku. Wouldn't be surprised if Randleman got that offer too

The Belfort was is the most suspect. I remember watching that fight and thinking..."Vitor isn't trying to win. He isn't even trying to fight."

Jarl

 

[AssassinFacedBaby]

WW Saku beat HW Randleman and LHWs Rampage + Vitor.

Prime Sakuraba beats any WW in MMA history

Everyone except Wanderlei, Tamura, Aoki, Miller & Arona

 

[daniel san]

Sakuraba was awesome but let's not compare fighters back then to fighters today. Sakuraba would get smoked badly by the elite of the WW division, but one can wonder how great he would have been if he was young today and got to evolve in today's MMA circuit.

 

[listrahtes]

Sakuraba would get smoked badly by the elite of the WW division

Disagree. People vastly overrate the evolution of MMA. A Fedor would decapitate heads like back then. A prime Shogun would be elite at LHW. Sakuraba would definitely be elite at WW. Saku vs that Woodley from Colby fight he would destroy him. Even vs. Colby I would favour him not to speak of other WWs

 

[ColbyCovChamp]

WW Saku beat HW Randleman and LHWs Rampage + Vitor.

Prime Sakuraba beats any WW in MMA history

Gsp and colby maul him

 

[waldywaldy]

Lmao those guysl have nonexistent BJJ games. GSP, hendricks, Usman, wonderboy, Luque, Burns, Polzibbio, prime lawler,Maia, Rory, Lima all destroy Sakuraba.

lol

I'd take Rampage Vitor or Randleman over anybody on that list in a fucking heartbeat

 

[Vile]

The Belfort was is the most suspect. I remember watching that fight and thinking..."Vitor isn't trying to win. He isn't even trying to fight."

Jarl

Wasn't that the time when Vitor was going through very dark times, because of kidnapping of his sister and all that?

 

[GIBLERTBAPTISTA]

The Belfort was is the most suspect. I remember watching that fight and thinking..."Vitor isn't trying to win. He isn't even trying to fight."

Jarl

That was typical Vitor. Mentally quit when he cant finish his opponent early. Look at the heat he was throwing at Saku early in the fight. One of the shots landed on Saku's forehead and he broke his hand. For the rest of the fight he flopped to his ass and got his legs tenderized.

 

[gono btw]

He could destructed a lot of times.

SAKU was doin´his thing:
> Beatin´ LHWs like Vitor Gracie, Ebenezer Braga, Tiger, Randleman, Rampage
> Draw vs LHWs like Goes & Mezger
> Bein´competitive against HWs like Igor (followin´a 90mns battle vs Hoyce) or Crocop
> Bein´competitive against LHWs like Lil Nog (was injured in that fight & still dominated him during the 1st 2 Rds b4 gassin´)
> Beatin´HW like Conan

@ OW [above MW], SAKU is 8-1-7.

Destroyed a 'lot of times'? Hmmm... nah.. Only Wand & Arona, @ OW.

Pride paid Rampage more to take a dive againat Saku. Wouldn't be surprised if Randleman got that offer too

Educate yourself, fool:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-32-where´s-dat-suplex-monster.3954795/

He actually turned it down but lost anyway from what I remember

It wasn’t even to throw the fight. They were trying to encourage him to grapple with Saku or something like that

That bonus was his if, & only if, he didnt tap.

Prime Silva KOs Saku

Spoiler: Bad Night for Spider in Pride...

Rampage was inexperienced in professional fighting

Vitor was too cautious in that fight and Saku took advantage

That´s inaccurate. Inexperience was not the reason why Rampage lost. This will be assessed in due times, tho..

Meanwhile:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-24-carlson´s-silence.3879035/

The Belfort was is the most suspect. I remember watching that fight and thinking..."Vitor isn't trying to win. He isn't even trying to fight."

Jarl

And Carlos Newton. That fight is fake as fuck.

Vitor beat the shit out of him for 45 seconds, broke his hand, then stopped fighting.

He just flopped to his back and let Sakuraba kick him.

Educate yourself, fools:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-25-the-wild-wild-east.3886295/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-24-carlson´s-silence.3879035/

Randleman was a glass canon

Ask Ebenezer Braga or Bas, tho..

Nuff´Said.

Takada vs Coleman.

Different context, historically.

Everyone except Wanderlei, Tamura, Aoki, Miller & Arona

Wand & Arona were no natural WWs, & against the rest he was out of his prime.

Sakuraba was awesome but let's not compare fighters back then to fighters today. Sakuraba would get smoked badly by the elite of the WW division, but one can wonder how great he would have been if he was young today and got to evolve in today's MMA circuit.

What´s goin´on here... Big Daddy´s out of town, & shameless bums got out of their holes?

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Disagree. People vastly overrate the evolution of MMA. A Fedor would decapitate heads like back then. A prime Shogun would be elite at LHW. Sakuraba would definitely be elite at WW. Saku vs that Woodley from Colby fight he would destroy him. Even vs. Colby I would favour him not to speak of other WWs

Most obviously look at Maia, gets by almost entirely on grappling at WW.

Again when it comes to sub grappling especially a big issue today is that there are very few truly dangerous sub fighters around.

 

[gono btw]

Wasn't that the time when Vitor was going through very dark times, because of kidnapping of his sister and all that?

That kidnappin´occured after that fight. Vitor was actually inna 'Walker' mood... with his woman..& Master Carlson didnt like it, to say the least...

 

[AssassinFacedBaby]

SAKU was doin´his thing:
> Beatin´ LHWs like Vitor Gracie, Ebenezer Braga, Tiger, Randleman, Rampage
> Draw vs LHWs like Goes & Mezger
> Bein´competitive against HWs like Igor (followin´a 90mns battle vs Hoyce) or Crocop
> Bein´competitive against LHWs like Lil Nog (was injured in that fight & still dominated him during the 1st 2 Rds b4 gassin´)
> Beatin´HW like Conan

@ OW [above MW], SAKU is 8-1-7.

Destroyed a 'lot of times'? Hmmm... nah.. Only Wand & Arona, @ OW.


Educate yourself, fool:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-32-where´s-dat-suplex-monster.3954795/





That bonus was his if, & only if, he didnt tap.

Spoiler: Bad Night for Spider in Pride...

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That´s inaccurate. Inexperience was not the reason why Rampage lost. This will be assessed in due times, tho..

Meanwhile:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-24-carlson´s-silence.3879035/







Educate yourself, fools:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-25-the-wild-wild-east.3886295/

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-24-carlson´s-silence.3879035/



Nuff´Said.


Different context, historically.


Wand & Arona were no natural WWs, & against the rest he was out of his prime.



What´s goin´on here... Big Daddy´s out of town, & shameless bums got out of their holes?

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Yeah cool

 

[kimocomplex]

That´s inaccurate. Inexperience was not the reason why Rampage lost. This will be assessed in due times, tho..
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Rampage had 11 fights, mostly in King Of The Cage and Gladiator Challenge
Sakuraba had 17 fights, all but 1 in Pride/UFC

while Kazushi had already hunted Gracies, Quinton was fighting the likes of Warren Owsley and Ron Rumpf

pretty big difference

 

[gono btw]

Rampage had 11 fights, mostly in King Of The Cage and Gladiator Challenge
Sakuraba had 17 fights, all but 1 in Pride/UFC

while Kazushi had already hunted Gracies, Quinton was fighting the likes of Warren Owsley and Ron Rumpf

pretty big difference

hmm..yeah., but that´s not the reason why he performed the way he did. That´narrative is kindah short-sighted.

Rampage knew what he was doin´, & this will be..deconstructed... in due times.

 

[waldywaldy]

Rampage had 11 fights, mostly in King Of The Cage and Gladiator Challenge
Sakuraba had 17 fights, all but 1 in Pride/UFC

while Kazushi had already hunted Gracies, Quinton was fighting the likes of Warren Owsley and Ron Rumpf

pretty big difference

lol

That was Rampage's only legit loss in a 19 fight streak that ended with the first Wanderlei KO. A run that includes finishes of Chuck, Igor and Randleman. It was also the only submission loss in his career until Jones got him with a RNC more than a fucking decade later

The amount of revisionist bullshit in this thread is mindboggling

 

[Pingu]

Vitor beat the shit out of him for 45 seconds, broke his hand, then stopped fighting.

He just flopped to his back and let Sakuraba kick him.

So Vitor tried to swarm, could not finish and then he got picked apart? Saku had his number. Vitor is not the first guy to break a hand in a fight, that is not the whole story.