News Islam Moves to #3 on P4P List

[Yellowcrab]

One fights in the deepest division the other fights in the shallowest. The 30th ranked LW fighter is better P4P than #15 LHW

The "deepest" :

As a general rule, the more you go in higher divisions, the more dangerous and brutal they are...

https://www.thestatszone.com/mma/are-more-ufc-fights-going-to-a-decision-899075

Khabib best win is probably Poirier...

 

[UFConFOX]

Ackmed it's been a long time since I've seen you post, your absence has let me become a fan of Islam
Question for you, is there a criteria for P4P rankings? You talk about individual fight dominance. Volk currently sits P4P #1, he didn't dominate Max in thier 3 bouts. He's also of the smaller weight class. So what actually makes Volk number 1?

He did actually dominate Max in that third fight. I thought Max won the second. I thought the first was meh; Max on damage other than to the calf and I guess Volk if you weigh damage to one's calf equal to everything else.

What makes Volk #1 is he hasn't lost in a title fight, at any weight, in 5 fights. Adesanya has the loss to Jan and Bones is N/A.

The "deepest" :

As a general rule, the more you go in higher divisions, the more dangerous and brutal they are...

https://www.thestatszone.com/mma/are-more-ufc-fights-going-to-a-decision-899075

Khabib best win is probably Poirier...

What are you showing here? LW is regarded industry wide, and has been for about a decade, as the "deepest" division. I take this to mean that the average skill and MMA acumen of a top 30 LW fighter exceeds that of other weight classes. What does brutality and danger have to do with depth and skill of fighters? They might be related, they might be entirely unrelated. If thers is correlation I would

And what does Khabib have to do with any of this? LMAO Are you actually billing Khabib rent or is it in effect RENT FREE?!

No way, Ngannou shouldn't be below him. Islam has 2 top ten wins and zero title defenses. Ngannou has 7 top ten wins and 1 defense.

I wouldn't have a problem if Francis was ahead of him but if the core of the reasoning is 7 top 10 wins at HW then we're going to be stuck in this rudimentary part of the conversation where people have to have their hand held while they are slowly explained that the #9 at HW has a fraction of the MMA skill as the #9 at Lightweight. Apples and Oranges.

That's not Francis's fault so I certainly wouldn't hold it against him but it would not be one of the top 3 reasons I put him above Islam. His improvement/evolution as a martial artist (evident in the Stipe and Gane fights), His wins over 1 all-time great HW in Stipe and 1 truly all-round rising star in Gane, the fear struck by his power; etc. All of these are reasons I'd value well ahead of the strength of top 10 HW wins.

 

[Yellowcrab]

What are you showing here? LW is regarded industry wide, and has been for about a decade, as the "deepest" division.

Marketing because of Conor, the cash cow... Jon Jones, Kamaru, Adesanya, Anderson Silva, Cormier, GSP, etc.

Some of the biggest names don't come from the LW division.

Outside of Khabib, there's isn't any really iconic fighter in the LW division.

You can include Conor too, but he was a FW before that.

What does brutality and danger have to do with depth and skill of fighters? They might be related, they might be entirely unrelated. If thers is correlation I would

You're not wrong, but being dominant in a category where you take a lot more damage is more impressive in my opinion.

Jon Jones was dominant in the LHW division.

And what does Khabib have to do with any of this? LMAO Are you actually billing Khabib rent or is it in effect RENT FREE?!

If it's so deep, why Khabib best win might be Poirier ?

Poirier is a good fighter, but nothing outstanding in my opinion...

 

[UFConFOX]

Marketing because of Conor, the cash cow... Jon Jones, Kamaru, Adesanya, Anderson Silva, Cormier, GSP, etc.

Some of the biggest names don't come from the LW division.

Outside of Khabib, there's isn't any really iconic fighter in the LW division.

You can include Conor too, but he was a FW before that.



You're not wrong, but being dominant in a category where you take a lot more damage is more impressive in my opinion.

Jon Jones was dominant in the LHW division.



If it's so deep, why Khabib best win might be Poirier ?

Poirier is a good fighter, but nothing outstanding in my opinion...

3 years ago when Khabib beat Poirier, Dustin was on an impressive streak against top ranked LW's. The argument becomes circular in the eyes of a LW skeptic b/c you would argue he's beating other people that are overrated/not great.

Beyond being a LW skeptic though I can offer up that Poirier defeated Max Holloway, the FW king and at the time another top 3 P4P fighter, who dethroned Aldo and reigned over an entire division for years.

Remember that's what made Poirier the Interim Champ. At some point you have to take the plunge. Take away all the rankings and numbers next to their name. Max didn't lose a championship fight for years. Dustin didn't lose a non-championship fight for years. Dustin defeated Max and that's what gave him the shot at Khabib. A fight Khabib dominated for about 85-90% of the fight.

Don't bother replying about Max being undersized; I'd just refer you to all of Dustin's wins over top LW's (but, again, that's when it likely becomes circular in your eyes).

 

[Hdfi]

Islam is #6 P4P according to a less biased source (UFC p4p rankings are merely for promotion).
https://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/pound-for-pound/

 

[Ackmed]

dont change the subject.

I'm on subject.

I exaining why your argument (of basing a rank only or mainly on the number of ranked wins) doesn't mean much.

If that's how it worked there'd be no need to watch fighter's perform. You can just look up their record in Wikipedia, the rank of the opponents they beat, and compute what they should ranked.

 

[Ackmed]

sounds like a whole lot of subjectivity in statement too. Even though everything I talked about are objective measures, Which is why I started my statement with "objectively speaking"

But you're not even addressing how the fight unfolded, you're arguments are just based on "wins" and seem to ignore losses but most importantly you're ignoring how fights unfolded, whether they looked easy or if they were close.

That's not being objective it's just viewing things as a simpleton.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

 

[RockyLockridge]

But you're not even addressing how the fight unfolded, you're arguments are just based on "wins" and seem to ignore losses but most importantly you're ignoring how fights unfolded, whether they looked easy or if they were close.

That's not being objective it's just viewing things as a simpleton.

What losses? jiri's last lost is not only avenged but it was 7 years ago. I haven't brough up losses when speaking about leon, islam or jiri because none of their losses are recent enough to be relevent. even when jiri was outside the ufc he was still fighting better fighters than islam, that's not a simpleton take. it's just the facts.

I'm on subject.

I exaining why your argument (of basing a rank only or mainly on the number of ranked wins) doesn't mean much.

If that's how it worked there'd be no need to watch fighter's perform. You can just look up their record in Wikipedia, the rank of the opponents they beat, and compute what they should ranked.

if you're doing a ranking, and you're trying to be fair, it should be more based on this. it should be less based on performance.

 

[Ackmed]

What losses? jiri's last lost is not only avenged but it was 7 years ago. I haven't brough up losses when speaking about leon, islam or jiri because none of their losses are recent enough to be relevent. even when jiri was outside the ufc he was still fighting better fighters than islam, that's not a simpleton take. it's just the facts.




if you're doing a ranking, and you're trying to be fair, it should be more based on this. it should be less based on performance.

You're doing a math equation, not a ranking.

Anyone can do a math equation without even watching how fights unfold.

You're treating back-and-forth slugfests the same as dominant performances...at least your posts are.

 

[Ackmed]

Congratulations to my good friend, @Ackmed

He’s the first guy in here I ever saw on that war wagon. And he never waivered. The rhetoric was a little over the top at times, but he wasn’t wrong.

The Johnny Come Lately crowd can sit on it, and rotate. But, @Ackmed gets my full respect. I’m happy for you, my friend.

Thank you sir!

I've never been this happy after a sporting event.

I ordered this shirt the same within the same day.

If you see a bald guy in Alberta wearing it someday, come say hi!

 

[Raptors2019]

Looks like he will be #1 when he beats volks

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

Thank you sir!

I've never been this happy after a sporting event.

I ordered this shirt the same within the same day.

If you see a bald guy in Alberta wearing it someday, come say hi!

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Wait Wait Wait

You are bald?

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Thank you sir!

I've never been this happy after a sporting event.

I ordered this shirt the same within the same day.

If you see a bald guy in Alberta wearing it someday, come say hi!

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lol.. But narrow it down a little. Are you north or south of Red Deer? Though I don’t imagine I’ll see more than one bald guy wearing that shirt in AB during the rest of my life.

The CFL is my passion. I’ve been to every stadium in the league. And attended numerous Grey Cup games. So I’ve felt complete joy seeing my team win the Grey Cup in person. And I’ve also been there a cpl times when my team lost. That part really sucks.

So I understand the feeling.

 

[LoveSherdogThisTime]

Can someone please explain to me what the criterias are for this list? I have absolutely no idea how Islam is ahead of Leon, Ngannou and Sterling. Also why is Leon ahead of Ngannou? Why is Poirier ahead of Whittaker? Help me out here.

 

[do a moniker]

And that is why these lists are so stupid. Imagine if your aunt was your uncle.

However I will say I could see Islam beating Usman right now. So he deserves to be high on the list.

would you pick Islam to beat Jiri right now?

Edwards did not lose 95% of the fight. He could have finished Usman in the first by submission if Usman didn’t cheat and grab gloves. Leon won every moment that wasn’t Usman stalling to avoid a fight from happening.

Lol ok. First time I’ve ever heard that opinion from anyone. Including from rocky himself. Keep holding on to that I guess…

 

[Dionysian]

okay objectively speaking why should he be higher than edwards??

Edwards has a similar streak and edwards beat a higher ranked champion.


How is he higher than prochazka?

Who has only won all his UFC fights which are all ranked fights and he finished all of them? on a longer streak, with more finishes against better fighters

Who knows how P4P works man. Sometimes dominance matters, sometimes win streaks matter, sometimes it is just who you last beat, and sometimes it is just pure marketing.

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

Whatever happened to this dude like Islam now has the most title defences at LW with 4 and is now Welterweight champ, this dude proved all of us sherbros wrong in 2022