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So the rebels are totally reliant on Turkey and the US/coalition for air strikes, weapons training, food and foreign fighters. If the SAA is now mostly Iran, Hezbollah and Iraqi militias then who are these rebels and why should they take over Syria?
 
So the rebels are totally reliant on Turkey and the US/coalition for air strikes, weapons training, food and foreign fighters.

If the SAA is now mostly Iran, Hezbollah and Iraqi militias then who are these rebels and why should they take over Syria?
Nope the moderate ones are largely

Natives
Theres execllent breakdowns on them on isw
 
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You must be deluded on epic portions if you think ASSAD is walking into a clear cut victory and everything ending in ''Forever happy'' Fairytale then you are completely wrong. This could actully be the beginning of the war as more entities have entered and even the focus of the fighting has changed.

Why do you think Assad got bombed 30km away from Al-Tanaf? He was pushing to the border regions in order to connect with Deir-Ezzor and they may hold it there against ISIS under the siege but they won't be able to hold against the forces whom are about to reach there from Jordan.

Raqqah has the largest Oil Field in the country called Al-Omar oil field plus the other one in Deir-Ezzor and that is what the US mainly want to secure. I can guarantee you Assad will never get these Oil Fields back. The US has made it clear to everybody they don't recognize Assad just like how Kurdistan have never been recognized hence the sovereign state claims is nullified. These Oil fields belong to who gets them. Syria is every man's land currently.

He has so many forces to fight with and why do you think The Russian and his regime have been desparately trying to hold talks with the Rebels??? Because they are exhausted and want to switch the battlefield hence they realized they are losing on the oil war in the eastern part of Syria as the Americans have gained the upper hand on them.

If he loses these two cities he has basically lost everything and his regime will become very poor and won't be able to keep his other major allies and make no mistake the US will never release these 2 oil fields back to Assad or any other syrian regime after him.

His lost alot of manpower and wanted to desparately to stop the war against the rebels as it would make certain of his potentially lose on the long run. The Rebels will rise and increase in numbers as usually between years and the longer the war continues the more troops will come into Syria to join the rebels just take Afganistan as example 16-years and continuing while Taliban just goes from strength to strength and In My honest opinion this war is just marely the beginning of the conflict hence we are long way out. I do agree with you on one thing. ISIS won't last past another year imo and they are finished and they were never really contenders imho even from the beginning.

The more furious and dedicated opponents were always HTS, AS and FSA. who form the main rebels. This group will last for a long time to come.

Syria will be balkanized and that is where it's heading right now. Assad lost the eastern part of the country plus the south + Idlib province and can't even free eastern Damascus and I repeat eastern Damascus and your saying his close to victory? I would say that is much delusion.

I would rather say sit back and bring some popcorn this is going to be a long ride for many many years to come
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When the worlds only superpower the u.s decided to take part seriously and russia admitted it cant afford repairs this war was basicaly over...assad has lost , the chances of syria goinh back to an uber police state in his entourages iron grasp is dead and buried.

The rest is just working out a face saving soultion to the major powers...and that doesnt include iran who are clearly heading for a royal fucking with thos overreach ...good ole mattis is gagging to rape them.
 
You must be deluded on epic portions if you think ASSAD is walking into a clear cut victory and everything ending in ''Forever happy'' Fairytale then you are completely wrong. This could actully be the beginning of the war as more entities have entered and even the focus of the fighting has changed.

Why do you think Assad got bombed 30km away from Al-Tanaf? He was pushing to the border regions in order to connect with Deir-Ezzor and they may hold it there against ISIS under the siege but they won't be able to hold against the forces whom are about to reach there from Jordan.

Raqqah has the largest Oil Field in the country called Al-Omar oil field plus the other one in Deir-Ezzor and that is what the US mainly want to secure. I can guarantee you Assad will never get these Oil Fields back. The US has made it clear to everybody they don't recognize Assad just like how Kurdistan have never been recognized hence the sovereign state claims is nullified. These Oil fields belong to who gets them. Syria is every man's land currently.

He has so many forces to fight with and why do you think The Russian and his regime have been desparately trying to hold talks with the Rebels??? Because they are exhausted and want to switch the battlefield hence they realized they are losing on the oil war in the eastern part of Syria as the Americans have gained the upper hand on them.

If he loses these two cities he has basically lost everything and his regime will become very poor and won't be able to keep his other major allies and make no mistake the US will never release these 2 oil fields back to Assad or any other syrian regime after him.

His lost alot of manpower and wanted to desparately to stop the war against the rebels as it would make certain of his potentially lose on the long run. The Rebels will rise and increase in numbers as usually between years and the longer the war continues the more troops will come into Syria to join the rebels just take Afganistan as example 16-years and continuing while Taliban just goes from strength to strength and In My honest opinion this war is just marely the beginning of the conflict hence we are long way out. I do agree with you on one thing. ISIS won't last past another year imo and they are finished and they were never really contenders imho even from the beginning.

The more furious and dedicated opponents were always HTS, AS and FSA. who form the main rebels. This group will last for a long time to come.

Syria will be balkanized and that is where it's heading right now. Assad lost the eastern part of the country plus the south + Idlib province and can't even free eastern Damascus and I repeat eastern Damascus and your saying his close to victory? I would say that is much delusion.

I would rather say sit back and bring some popcorn this is going to be a long ride for many many years to come

Again your whole premise is based on false assumptions.

First, the Deir Ezzor oilfields are not crucial to the goverment. This is not a "key" to the country or whatever it is you are trying to portray. Syria was never a major oil producer. Whatever the US thinks is irrelevant because the goverment is still fighting ISIS everyday in the city. That small outpost at the Jordanian border? I can tell you they are nowhere close to capturing Deir-Ezzor. Now that is complete delusion.
In fact the eastern part of the country was NEVER a focus. Raqqa wasn't seriously defended, it lies in the middle of nowhere. The only reason the goverment clings onto Deir Ezzor, Hasakah, Qamshili in the east is the "all parts of Syria"-strategy that the goverment employed from the beginning. It was the reason the goverment held onto Idlib in the middle of hostile territory for so long.

The real battles has always been over the control of Aleppo, Damascus and securing their connection to the coast. That has always been the focus.
Look at the situation in Aleppo a few years back, it was the goverment held areas that were besieged. It has been completely turned around. Damascus were under a huge threat that is now completely contained and so on. There is no way you can spin this into a creeping rebel victory, it's basically madness. You can keep moving the goalposts but that won't change reality.
The rebels have been losing every major battle since the Russian intervention. Their latest futile attempts at threatening Hama has been beaten back with huge losses in manpower and equipment on the rebel side.

Second, I never claimed complete victory for Assad. I see rebels holding onto bumfuck nowhere Idlib for a long time. There is no real incentive to waste your effort on Idlibistan.
But the goverment is safe. They already have basically won with the rebels contained to Idlib, a few non dangerous pockets and the very south that has seen little conflict for a long time outside of Al-Qaeda starting some trouble. The rebels lost all their leverage.
The goverment has no manpower issue, outside of the goverment controlling the vast majority of the population there is the Iraqis, Hesbollah and so on that will help Syria from succumbing to Salafi rule. The rebel on the other hand is a long way from the their recruitment top a few years back when jihadists from all over the world where flooding in to fight. Why would people travel to die in a losing battle? There are no mountains for them to hide in unlike in Afganistan and there the conflict has deeper ethnic roots. The majority of the goverments soldiers are still Sunni.
 
So the rebels are totally reliant on Turkey and the US/coalition for air strikes, weapons training, food and foreign fighters. If the SAA is now mostly Iran, Hezbollah and Iraqi militias then who are these rebels and why should they take over Syria?

All I can tell you is don't listen to Whougonnacalls insanity, he lives in a different universe from the rest of us.

The rebels are vast majority hardline Sunni/Salafi islamists. You know Al-Qaeda? They are ISIS with some fancy makeup. It's why the US has basically given up on them and instead put the majority of their effort into supporting the Kurds despite Turkeys objections.
 
All I can tell you is don't listen to Whougonnacalls insanity, he lives in a different universe from the rest of us.

The rebels are vast majority hardline Sunni/Salafi islamists. You know Al-Qaeda? They are ISIS with some fancy makeup. It's why the US has basically given up on them and instead put the majority of their effort into supporting the Kurds despite Turkeys objections.

Oh I know I've been following this war since the beginning and he's been trying his best to paint the rebels as the saviors of Syria right from the start. Watch all of the videos from every rebel group. They are all scum that will use fanatical suicide tactics.

Now when you look at the SAA it's not a bunch of guys screaming Allah Akbar all the time.
 
Again your whole premise is based on false assumptions.

First, the Deir Ezzor oilfields are not crucial to the goverment. This is not a "key" to the country or whatever it is you are trying to portray. Syria was never a major oil producer. Whatever the US thinks is irrelevant because the goverment is still fighting ISIS everyday in the city. That small outpost at the Jordanian border? I can tell you they are nowhere close to capturing Deir-Ezzor. Now that is complete delusion.
In fact the eastern part of the country was NEVER a focus. Raqqa wasn't seriously defended, it lies in the middle of nowhere. The only reason the goverment clings onto Deir Ezzor, Hasakah, Qamshili in the east is the "all parts of Syria"-strategy that the goverment employed from the beginning. It was the reason the goverment held onto Idlib in the middle of hostile territory for so long.

The real battles has always been over the control of Aleppo, Damascus and securing their connection to the coast. That has always been the focus.
Look at the situation in Aleppo a few years back, it was the goverment held areas that were besieged. It has been completely turned around. Damascus were under a huge threat that is now completely contained and so on. There is no way you can spin this into a creeping rebel victory, it's basically madness. You can keep moving the goalposts but that won't change reality.
The rebels have been losing every major battle since the Russian intervention. Their latest futile attempts at threatening Hama has been beaten back with huge losses in manpower and equipment on the rebel side.

Second, I never claimed complete victory for Assad. I see rebels holding onto bumfuck nowhere Idlib for a long time. There is no real incentive to waste your effort on Idlibistan.
But the goverment is safe. They already have basically won with the rebels contained to Idlib, a few non dangerous pockets and the very south that has seen little conflict for a long time outside of Al-Qaeda starting some trouble. The rebels lost all their leverage.
The goverment has no manpower issue, outside of the goverment controlling the vast majority of the population there is the Iraqis, Hesbollah and so on that will help Syria from succumbing to Salafi rule. The rebel on the other hand is a long way from the their recruitment top a few years back when jihadists from all over the world where flooding in to fight. Why would people travel to die in a losing battle? There are no mountains for them to hide in unlike in Afganistan and there the conflict has deeper ethnic roots. The majority of the goverments soldiers are still Sunni.

You being extremely stubborn and shaping the battle and peoples goals into your own desires but that is not how things work on the ground unfortunately. There is to many factions, nations and groups in this battle and it can become confusing for people who go by what people are posting. Nobody is nobody friend in there. Syria produce a good deal of Oil and gas and there is also a pipeline creation.

ISIS is basically defeated militarily for long time ago and they never posed any threat hence their tactics were basically suicidal and started to execute people who had nothing to do with the battle even Japanese citizens they left nobody out of the picture and shot at everyone. From the Rebels to the Kurds to the Turks. Highly suicidal policy.

But everything your saying is nothing but bambo jumpo and if it makes you sleep well at night your welcome to believe it. I didn't say the Rebels won the battle because they didn't win it nor do I say Assad won the battle. They will both lose as the Americans are set to take both these cities and the borderline.

Syria has the potential to produce oil worth 25-30mio USD a day.. That is alot of money considering it's only 24-hours. Do you Think Assads force were bombed for fun or accidental. But hey whatever rocks your boat.

There is to many Factions, Nations, groups, tribes etc etc This is going only one place at this point and that is people fighting over resources. Hard to predict what can happen beyond it. Other foreign invasion, bigger wars and more things can happen. I doubt Assad will try to re-claim the resources he lost to the Americans. I just don't see it happening. Hence why Assad may remain in his capital city but will never gain victory in this balkanization and losing all his resources on permanent basis
 
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All I can tell you is don't listen to Whougonnacalls insanity, he lives in a different universe from the rest of us.

The rebels are vast majority hardline Sunni/Salafi islamists. You know Al-Qaeda? They are ISIS with some fancy makeup. It's why the US has basically given up on them and instead put the majority of their effort into supporting the Kurds despite Turkeys objections.
Fronk is always wrong dude

Feel free to research syrian rebels yourself and youl see how far out he is
Doesnt take much google work at all trust me

Also just kurds?
The u.s is also training forces in the south as u well know and working on a larger central syrian fsa force.
 
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You being extremely stubborn and shaping the battle and peoples goals into your own desires but that is not how things work on the ground unfortunately. There is to many factions, nations and groups in this battle and it can become confusing for people who go by what people are posting. Nobody is nobody friend in there. Syria produce a good deal of Oil and gas and there is also a pipeline creation.

ISIS is basically defeated militarily for long time ago and they never posed any threat hence their tactics were basically suicidal and started to execute people who had nothing to do with the battle even Japanese citizens they left nobody out of the picture and shot at everyone. From the Rebels to the Kurds to the Turks. Highly suicidal policy.

But everything your saying is nothing but bambo jumpo and if it makes you sleep well at night your welcome to believe it. I didn't say the Rebels won the battle because they didn't win it nor do I say Assad won the battle. They will both lose as the Americans are set to take both these cities and the borderline.

Syria has the potential to produce oil worth 25-30mio USD a day.. That is alot of money considering it's only 24-hours. Do you Think Assads force were bombed for fun or accidental. But hey whatever rocks your boat.

There is to many Factions, Nations, groups, tribes etc etc This is going only one place at this point and that is people fighting over resources. Hard to predict what can happen beyond it. Other foreign invasion, bigger wars and more things can happen. I doubt Assad will try to re-claim the resources he lost to the Americans. I just don't see it happening. Hence why Assad may remain in his capital city but will never gain victory in this balkanization and losing all his resources on permanent basis
Your wasting your time dude
Fronk is frequently wrong yet never holds his hands up to it
He posted for ages about the vast manpower reserves assad had when myself and every expert online said he had shortages
I called him on it when by 2014- 2015ish it was painfuly undeniable and he STILL
Hasnt had the balls to hold his hands up to being massively wrong!
 
I second that whougonnacall lives in a fantasy land that has more to do with wishful thinking than facts. With him it's always "Hilary will do this" or "turkey will do that". It's never what's actually happened. With every govt victory it appears to him that assad is losing further. It's ridiculous if not a pathetic. Even many of the hardcover anti-assad experts can see the rebels aren't having the best time. But never let a good anti Iran conspiracy stop him from trolling along.

Once Mosul and tal afar are done there's going to be huge influxes of battle hardened militia who are anti ISIS specialists.

The JCPOA is a huge impediment to any half assed attempt by trump to isolate Iran. The world won't go back to how things were before.
 
-u.s sec of state and saudi foriegn minister publicly confirm commitment to rolling back iran in iraq and iran
Trump also talks about assads horrific crimes backed by iran (no mention of russia )
100 billion deal set to be start of many deals.

Meanwhile trumps next stop is israel where hezbollah and iran are expected to be one of top subjects.

Im.sorry but at this stage of you cant see the writing on the wall for whats after isis collapses i dont know what to say.
 
-u.s sec of state and saudi foriegn minister publicly confirm commitment to rolling back iran in iraq and iran
Trump also talks about assads horrific crimes backed by iran (no mention of russia )
100 billion deal set to be start of many deals.

Meanwhile trumps next stop is israel where hezbollah and iran are expected to be one of top subjects.

Im.sorry but at this stage of you cant see the writing on the wall for whats after isis collapses i dont know what to say.
Impeachment for Trump and end of the line for your jihadists buddies?
 
Impeachment for Trump and end of the line for your jihadists buddies?
That would leave spence dude..whos got a stiffy for fucking up iran.
So that means either way your jihadi and genocidal buddies are fucked
 
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That would leave spence dude..whos got a stiffy for fucking up iran.
So that means either way your jihadi and genocidal buddies are fucked
Heh an Al-Qaeda supporter like you calling other jihadi is like Trump calling Iran the greatest source of terror while standing in Saudi capital. We all know you're too chickenshit to do actual jihad, so jerking yourself to some "moderate" headchopper fantasy is all you can do. At least liquidfire had the guts to admit being a sympathizer. You're simply sad.
 
Heh an Al-Qaeda supporter like you calling other jihadi is like Trump calling Iran the greatest source of terror while standing in Saudi capital. We all know you're too chickenshit to do actual jihad, so other than jerking yourself to some "moderate" headchopper fantasy is all you can do.

As opposed to wanking over other headchoppers as 'better' or 'different' lol
Im sure when assad starves then gasses kids your panties are so wet u could drown a toddler in em eeh ivan?
 
As opposed to wanking over other headchoppers as 'better' or 'different' lol
Im sure when assad starves then gasses kids your panties are so wet u could drown a toddler in em
I do love it when your Al-Qaeda relatives get vaporized, whether it's done by Assad, Russia, Iran or US. I wonder why every group other than Sunni run to government held areas rather than stay in these jihadist paradise of yours.
 
-u.s sec of state and saudi foriegn minister publicly confirm commitment to rolling back iran in iraq and iran
Trump also talks about assads horrific crimes backed by iran (no mention of russia )
100 billion deal set to be start of many deals.

Meanwhile trumps next stop is israel where hezbollah and iran are expected to be one of top subjects.

Im.sorry but at this stage of you cant see the writing on the wall for whats after isis collapses i dont know what to say.

The Saudi's can't even beat sandal wearing Houthi's in Yemen. Their insanely camp foreign minister talks a lot of shit and can't back it up.

Who knows what Trump will do. So far he's reversed nearly everything he said on the campaign trail. Remember that he was insanely anti-Saudi before he was pro. That's most likely his true view of Saudi Barbaria.

I also doubt if Saudi has the money to spend. 100 billion is a lot for a country whose economy is in the toilet and blowing through their money faster than they can buy gold plated bentleys.
 
-u.s sec of state and saudi foriegn minister publicly confirm commitment to rolling back iran in iraq and iran
Trump also talks about assads horrific crimes backed by iran (no mention of russia )
100 billion deal set to be start of many deals.

Meanwhile trumps next stop is israel where hezbollah and iran are expected to be one of top subjects.

Im.sorry but at this stage of you cant see the writing on the wall for whats after isis collapses i dont know what to say.

u.s sec of state and saudi foriegn minister publicly confirm commitment to rolling back iran in iraq and iran
They ain't rolling back shit in a shia majority country
 
Your wasting your time dude
Fronk is frequently wrong yet never holds his hands up to it
He posted for ages about the vast manpower reserves assad had when myself and every expert online said he had shortages
I called him on it when by 2014- 2015ish it was painfuly undeniable and he STILL
Hasnt had the balls to hold his hands up to being massively wrong!
In 2014-2015 you where still claiming that Assad would fall any moment now.
 
SDF now in the outskirts of Raqqa.

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