Is WWE Capitalizing on WMMA?

[HereticBD]

Then why can't you argue against them without resorting to intangible emotional nonsense?

You need some fresh troll bait. The whole "You can't argue my position" thing in the face of countless sensible arguments against your position, is as weak as it gets.

Sleep it over, and give it another shot tomorrow. You have my support, Jr.

 

[JamesRyko]

You need some fresh troll bait. The whole "You can't argue my position" thing in the face of countless sensible arguments against your position, is as weak as it gets.

Sleep it over, and give it another shot tomorrow. You have my support, Jr.

Don't you think its kind of odd that you criticize me for making a point that is further justified and proven by the very post in which you make the critique?

Would you do me a favor and quote one of these countless sensible arguments to my position. Because this thread is only 1 page long and so far the most compelling argument you've made is "Trish is better than Nikki". Why? "Because Attitude Era"

 

[HereticBD]

Don't you think its kind of odd that you criticize me for making a point that is further justified and proven by the very post in which you make the critique?

Would you do me a favor and quote one of these countless sensible arguments to my position. Because this thread is only 1 page long and so far the most compelling argument you've made is "Trish is better than Nikki". Why? "Because Attitude Era"

*Yawn*

 

[JamesRyko]

*Yawn*

Admit I'm right before you go to sleep

 

[HereticBD]

Admit I'm right before you go to sleep

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[JamesRyko]

[YT]iLYB9pvww2M[/YT]

Thank you

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[SocraticMethod]

Trish is not better than Nikki.. She was just the first to make the womens division relevant in any measurable sense. Trish was defiantly a game changer but Nikkis is the result of 10 years of evolution past the concepts that Trish set in motion.

You guys have got to recognize the difference between being a pioneer and being the best. Trish was without a doubt the best in her prime.

Just because someone became better than someone who was very important to product evolution doesn't discredit that OG.

Just because Albert Einstein surpassed Isaac Newton doesn't make Newton a scrub.. Hes still a legend and paved the way for what Einstein was able to do but if you think Newtons work is more advanced than Einsteins then you lose your privilege to make opinions about subjects.

Nikki is not better than Trish. Nikki has improved from complete garbage to above average, and appears to be putting in work to do so. I commend her for that. But that's all she is - above average. Trish improved from being just a model to being pretty damn good in the ring, far better than Nikki is today. Nikki is most certainly not the result of 10 years of evolution - she was just another model who tried to become a wrestler. She's done a better job of it than a lot of other models who decided to become wrestlers.

Trish also wasn't the first to make the women's division relevant.

Nikki is hot and appears to be a hardworker and she has a cool finisher. Compared to her sister and some of the other non-wrestlers the Divas division has been saddled with over the past few years, she's certainly not bad. But she's nowhere the best ever. She's not even top 10.

As far as the total package of being a wrestler, she's below (and this is off the top of my head): Trish, Lita, Victoria, Paige, AJ, Ivory, Mickie James, Madusa, Moolah, Wendi Richter, Chyna, Jaqueline, Sherri, Molly Holly. She's not as good a wrestler as Gail Kim, but I might say it'd be fair to consider her the better "champion." The flip side of that is that she's probably a better "wrestler" than Steph, but Steph was a better champion. She's also not as good as Charlotte, Sasha, Becky or Bayley, but only Charlotte has been a Divas champion out of those and it hasn't been a great reign so far.

Nikki is on par with Sable, Melina, and Beth Phoenix.

 

[electricfuneral]

Nikki is not better than Trish. Nikki has improved from complete garbage to above average, and appears to be putting in work to do so. I commend her for that. But that's all she is - above average. Trish improved from being just a model to being pretty damn good in the ring, far better than Nikki is today. Nikki is most certainly not the result of 10 years of evolution - she was just another model who tried to become a wrestler. She's done a better job of it than a lot of other models who decided to become wrestlers.

Trish also wasn't the first to make the women's division relevant.

Nikki is hot and appears to be a hardworker and she has a cool finisher. Compared to her sister and some of the other non-wrestlers the Divas division has been saddled with over the past few years, she's certainly not bad. But she's nowhere the best ever. She's not even top 10.

As far as the total package of being a wrestler, she's below (and this is off the top of my head): Trish, Lita, Victoria, Paige, AJ, Ivory, Mickie James, Madusa, Moolah, Wendi Richter, Chyna, Jaqueline, Sherri, Molly Holly. She's not as good a wrestler as Gail Kim, but I might say it'd be fair to consider her the better "champion." The flip side of that is that she's probably a better "wrestler" than Steph, but Steph was a better champion. She's also not as good as Charlotte, Sasha, Becky or Bayley, but only Charlotte has been a Divas champion out of those and it hasn't been a great reign so far.

Nikki is on par with Sable, Melina, and Beth Phoenix.

I agree though, I feel she may be better than those three. She has shown signs she can tell better stories.

 

[HereticBD]

I agree though, I feel she may be better than those three. She has shown signs she can tell better stories.

She's easily better than Sable. Nikki's actually not too bad of a wrestler. She botches here and there, but for the most part she looks like a wrestler when she's in the ring, and knows what she's doing. She's worlds above the Kelly Kelly's, Ashley Masero's, and Eva Marie's of the industry, who were(and are) just fucking clueless in the ring.

 

[deezy]

Nikki Bella would've been riding high during the List/Trish days, she has the drive to come back from serious injuries and to not only change her ring style, but also her body to handle harder bumps. Her in ring skill is still on par with those two because let's face it, Lita and Trish were overrated, I know it seems like blasphemy to say that, but its true. Both were ripe for botchamania vids if that was around during their run.

 

[Mau]

Bayley rips them all apart.

 

[JamesRyko]

Nikki is not better than Trish. Nikki has improved from complete garbage to above average, and appears to be putting in work to do so. I commend her for that. But that's all she is - above average. Trish improved from being just a model to being pretty damn good in the ring, far better than Nikki is today. Nikki is most certainly not the result of 10 years of evolution - she was just another model who tried to become a wrestler. She's done a better job of it than a lot of other models who decided to become wrestlers.

Trish also wasn't the first to make the women's division relevant.

Nikki is hot and appears to be a hardworker and she has a cool finisher. Compared to her sister and some of the other non-wrestlers the Divas division has been saddled with over the past few years, she's certainly not bad. But she's nowhere the best ever. She's not even top 10.

As far as the total package of being a wrestler, she's below (and this is off the top of my head): Trish, Lita, Victoria, Paige, AJ, Ivory, Mickie James, Madusa, Moolah, Wendi Richter, Chyna, Jaqueline, Sherri, Molly Holly. She's not as good a wrestler as Gail Kim, but I might say it'd be fair to consider her the better "champion." The flip side of that is that she's probably a better "wrestler" than Steph, but Steph was a better champion. She's also not as good as Charlotte, Sasha, Becky or Bayley, but only Charlotte has been a Divas champion out of those and it hasn't been a great reign so far.

Nikki is on par with Sable, Melina, and Beth Phoenix.

Wow.. I literally disagree with every single thing you said. Every single sentence in this post is utter bullshit.

Are you seriously saying that not being good in the beginning and getting better over time with experience is a flaw? And then despite using it as a point of fact to put Trish over her. You admit that trish went through the exact same process in the very next sentence.. A process that literally every single person who has ever been involved in the industry goes through.

lol @ saying Moolah.. were you watching pro wrestling in the 70s? I'm sure the 70s put on 5 star products compared tho today..

The fact that you put Moolah and Chyna in your list discredits every opinion you have. You should lose your right to vote in national elections. It's not fair that your vote cancels mine out with opinions like this.

 

[JamesRyko]

Can I get you guys to stfu now please? Chyna = Braun Stowman of womens division... Trish wasn't as good as you remember. Certainly not compared to 2015 skill/athleticism.



look at these horrendous chops and punches... Being active during AE does not automatically make you the end all of pro wrestling.



compared to....



btw, I need to point out that in addition to everything.. You said that Stephany McMahon was a better champion than Nikki Bella.. I need you to take a break from posting and reflect on yourself.