Is this Renzo Gracie quote accurate from your experience?

Plenty of well educated people are still just gullible fools
 
Eiffel-sixtyFight said:
Which of the two groups get paid more?
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MMA fighters! Trust me. Philosophers don't get paid well at all. Not compared to other professors, not even compared to other lecturing faculty, not compared to other PHD students, etc. That's why most philosophy PHDs kinda have to end up choosing other career paths. It's a nice and easy transition to law for the more analytic/continental hybrid philosophers, and it's an easy transition to computer science for the pure analytic philosophers. I think some day, analytic philosophy PHDs will advertise their programs as prep for CS careers, which I'm actually all for but I know others aren't so enthusiastic.

I have a deep personal disdain, or at least an indifference, for continental philosophy. Ironically, I think when most people think philosophy they think continental philosophy. I honestly do think a lot of academic philosophy in that realm is kinda just...differences in opinion + dressing up simple ideas with big words. In that case, I don't have much of a problem with normal people comparing themselves to us.

Now...if you want to compare to whatever they talk about to what I believe to be the good stuff in philosophy, like mathematical logic, philosophy of math, philosophy of science, etc. You're probably out of your depth. We always welcome crossovers from the maths, sciences, and CS as well to transition to philosophy because they too can bring a lot of perspective, but more often "A-level academics." People recognized for excellence in their fields. The average joe, probably not. Now I never went to an ivy league school. But knowing what I know about their rosters of professors, I mean they have some of the absolute best in each of those fields. They do have a smattering, maybe an increasingly large smattering, of the continental philosophers. But right now they still run absolutely stacked rosters. I won't name names, but it's usually a few other smaller philosophy programs that want to be well known at something that get a bunch of the continental school professors and try to be industry leaders in that area, that maybe in my relatively low opinion of them, I'd compare them to jiu jitsu mats.
 
Just like anyone, if he is your friend, he is awesome... If he is your enemy then not so much.


I trained under him in his NYC academy for 2 years and only saw the good side. I would later lose a lot of respect after discovering the unsportsmanslike behavior.


All in all though Conor has shown to be worse, so has Colby and Jon, so let's chill a bit with that gratuitous Gracie slander y'all love so much to dish out here on sherdog.

The gracies did more for mma than many, and thats a fact.
 
GoatArtemLobov said:
I always lol when martial artists think their knowledge is comparable with the one of PHDs...
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There is more to knowledge than just being book smart. Lots of geniuses and intellectuals talk about this all the time. Information can be gathered in many ways, especially in the digital information age. Some peoples experiences are only books and school, others experience things in real life to gain their knowledge/wisdom. A mix of both is what is best. Because everything will be one sided thinking if you don't understand/experience the other side of the coin. School/books and life/experiences are just 2 sides of the same coin.
 
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kflo said:
Waxing poetic....
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That’s the Nietzsche side of the mats
 
GoatArtemLobov said:
I always lol when martial artists think their knowledge is comparable with the one of PHDs...
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Some would be worthy of a PHD in their respective field of mangling people from a grounded position. There is so much knowledge from its evolution.
 
FIghtxIQ said:
There is more to knowledge than just being book smart. Lots of geniuses and intellectuals talk about this all the time. Information can be gathered in many ways, especially in the digital information age. Some peoples experiences are only books and school, others experience things in real life to gain their knowledge. A mix of both is what is best. Because everything will be one sided thinking if you don't understand the other side of the coin.
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Agree but, with that being said, if you have to make a hierarchy between disciplins, martial arts knowledge comes nowhere near academics.
Don't get it twisted, I'm a giant fan of martial arts, a big part of my free time revolves around training, watching instructionals or analyzing fights for gambling, but Renzo thinking his knowledge of bjj is as much worth as a PHD in math is preposterous. Working for years to actually be capable of performing the moves/developing muscle memory is very hard, yes, but the "science" behinf it is weak compared to disciplins like philosophy, physics or math.
Same thing can be said for boxing, the so called "sweet science". Yes there are many things to know, tactics, techniques etc. but com'on, have you ever taken a look at PHD level stuff in philosophy to get an idea of how much more intellectually demanding those things are than boxing, which in the end of the day is a thing that punchdrunk guys can understand...
Bottom line: being a combat sports world champ is hard, harder than getting a PHD, but it's apples and oranges, since one is mostly physical and the other intellectual. And only being a combat sports trainer is nowhere near any of those 2 things, so them acting like there are some super geniuses when they tell guys to move their feet is kinda laughable.
 
tasticles said:
Some would be worthy of a PHD in their respective field of mangling people from a grounded position. There is so much knowledge from its evolution.
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Doesn't Russia give out Master's level degrees in Sambo and judo?
 
RyanR said:
Renzo is right
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really? Which philosophies does jiu jitsu teach on the mats? If you’re able to list more than 10, compare that to an Ivy League school. Lol.

I love jiu jitsu, but it’s not that deep. All of that no ego, oss, douchebag filter, budo, zen, Bjj lifestyle, etc is hogshit.

it’s just a sport/martial art that has sports/martial arts applications.

Bjj was invented by thugs and bullies. Lmao. I guess they needed to add the “honor” and tma Schtick to appeal to broader audiences.
 
Chael_Sonnen said:
This is number one bullshit.
I would bet my house that he has never visited an ivy league uni.
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He might have, at least one of his kids has a BFA from a pretty prestigious private east coast college. Forgot which one. Definitely didnt check one out for himself though.
 
2004 account said:
Just like anyone, if he is your friend, he is awesome... If he is your enemy then not so much.


I trained under him in his NYC academy for 2 years and only saw the good side. I would later lose a lot of respect after discovering the unsportsmanslike behavior.


All in all though Conor has shown to be worse, so has Colby and Jon, so let's chill a bit with that gratuitous Gracie slander y'all love so much to dish out here on sherdog.

The gracies did more for mma than many, and thats a fact.
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Gracies take metal pipes to grapplers who beat them in their own challenge. Shot at transvestites, stomp on the head of an opponent they already subbed. The Gracie slander is earned. And even the evil Jon has not done anything worse then the idolized gracies.
 
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