Is this accurate about electric cars?

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*Edit - the text below was sent to me as an email forward. Author unknown. Don't know if it's true or not, just wondering.*

INTERESTING - ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE!


In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I’ve ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they’re being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious. If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It’s enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.” Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile

The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus. So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.
 
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It's way too long to not be accurate.
 
Your “genius elected officials” are listening to organizations like NASA who have explained in quite through detail that carbon traps heat and that mass amounts of carbon are warming the planet - and will continue to do so the point of mass destruction.

Sorry about how expensive it might get to prevent that.
 
Your “genius elected officials” are listening to organizations like NASA who have explained in quite through detail that carbon traps heat and that mass amounts of carbon are warming the planet - and will continue to do so the point of mass destruction.

Sorry about how expensive it might get to prevent that.

Co2 has been much higher in the past without destroying the planet.
 
My buddy just bought a Prius prime which can run on electric charge or gas. He doesn't charge it because gas is cheaper
 
I will have to be dragged kicking and screaming from a gasoline powered vehicle. Nothing to do with environment or cost, I just fucking love driving vehicles powered by the internal combustion engine.
 
Co2 has been much higher in the past without destroying the planet.

That's true. Of course humans were not on the planet then, and giant meteors were still slamming into the earth. But hey, lets try it out.
 
I will have to be dragged kicking and screaming from a gasoline powered vehicle. Nothing to do with environment or cost, I just fucking love driving vehicles powered by the internal combustion engine.

In 50 years, grade school children will be making internal combustion engines for history and science fair experiments.
 
In 50 years, grade school children will be making internal combustion engines for history and science fair experiments.

probably not since they are pretty complex and involve explosives.
 
In 50 years, grade school children will be making internal combustion engines for history and science fair experiments.
And I'll be bitching about how much better things were in my day.
 
INTERESTING - ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE!


In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I’ve ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they’re being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious. If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It’s enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.” Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile

The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus. So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.


LIAR. I have PG&E in California and have pretty much the highest electricity prices in the nation. Baseline tier 1 is .20 kwh. Even if you hit tier 3 and have the highest rate in the nation it is 40 cents a kWh.

Nobdy pays $1.16 per kWh, that is A FULL DOLLAR more than average Americans pay.


lmao, and residential solar is growing at a similar rate to electric car adoption. This will ease infrastructure problems like what is happening in CA. PG&E has been cancelling projects and infrastructure upgrades because of solar generation is easing the burden.
 
Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they’re being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious. If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

No offense but you live in the boonies. I'm in southern california and every home has 100-250 amps service. I'm having a 100 amp panel put in my garage just for saws. About ten years ago we used to have brown outs during the summer. It would hit every person, for 8hrs, about each 3 or four summers. Never happened to me so they were applied very sparingly. They did something to boost production since then, despite permanently losing a nuclear reactor in San Onofre to maintenance issues.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

Why are you adding the charge time just to calculate a MPH? The average person never drives more than 300 miles. And if they do, they drive for 8-10 hours and sleep a night.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile

My monthly usage, haven't started the saws yet, is 438 kwh for $93. Thats $.21 per kwh or $3.39 to fill a 16 kwh electric tank.
Note mine includes both peak and base rate prices. It would be even cheaper if you only charge at night.

The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus. So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

My ex had a nissan leaf with 21000 miles for $7,500. It would only go 75 miles though so she would charge for free at a few different places around school and work. If she had to drive a long ways she would borrow her families extra car.


Note: I own two 13mpg v8's and a twin turbo v6. I won't be getting an electric until I win the lottery and can afford a p85D
 
My buddy just bought a Prius prime which can run on electric charge or gas. He doesn't charge it because gas is cheaper
The gas engine charges the batteries while he drives.
 
The OP is a cut and paste from:
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-510106-1.html

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No offense but you live in the boonies. I'm in southern california and every home has 100-250 amps service. I'm having a 100 amp panel put in my garage just for saws. About ten years ago we used to have brown outs during the summer. It would hit every person, for 8hrs, about each 3 or four summers. Never happened to me so they were applied very sparingly. They did something to boost production since then, despite permanently losing a nuclear reactor in San Onofre to maintenance issues.



Why are you adding the charge time just to calculate a MPH? The average person never drives more than 300 miles. And if they do, they drive for 8-10 hours and sleep a night.



My monthly usage, haven't started the saws yet, is 438 kwh for $93. Thats $.21 per kwh or $3.39 to fill a 16 kwh electric tank.
Note mine includes both peak and base rate prices. It would be even cheaper if you only charge at night.



My ex had a nissan leaf with 21000 miles for $7,500. It would only go 75 miles though so she would charge for free at a few different places around school and work. If she had to drive a long ways she would borrow her families extra car.


Note: I own two 13mpg v8's and a twin turbo v6. I won't be getting an electric until I win the lottery and can afford a p85D
Also, CA/pg&e offer discounted rates if you register a EV
 
LIAR. I have PG&E in California and have pretty much the highest electricity prices in the nation. Baseline tier 1 is .20 kwh. Even if you hit tier 3 and have the highest rate in the nation it is 40 cents a kWh.

Nobdy pays $1.16 per kWh, that is A FULL DOLLAR more than average Americans pay.


lmao, and residential solar is growing at a similar rate to electric car adoption. This will ease infrastructure problems like what is happening in CA. PG&E has been cancelling projects and infrastructure upgrades because of solar generation is easing the burden.
We even have public solar and charging stations.
 
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