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Is the Buster Douglas KO win of the undefeated Mike Tyson the biggest upset in boxing history?


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All of Mike's losses hurt me, just really a tragic waste of such talent. All the detractors loved it though, "overrated all along" and also, he was losing popularity as champion by that point. The managerial stuff, the afterfight comments and attitude were alienating a lot of early fans. Michael Katz claimed that in his new york neighborhood he could hear the collective cheer when Mike was counted out.

They always say American's have a quirk where they just hate someone who is too dominant or perfect and wont' accept them until they are proven human. It was true for Dempsey, Robinson, Ali. Tyson was never able to come back but at least at this late stage, people love him, at least some people. I still recall people hating him and calling him rapist and it was great he lost after his losses.
Yeah I think losing his coach did him in. He needed an elder to funnel all that talent and energy plus giving people money who've never had it is always a bad recipe. I don't think he did the rape myself but ya can never really tell what's true in the media.

On a side note I also remember Rocky 4 where Tommy Morrison played the Tyson character and went on to get fame and money and go down the same road but never recovered like Tyson.
 
Growing up in the Tyson era he did seem unbeatable. Biggest shock ever for me.
 
Tyson was drinking smoking and partying and almost no training prior to the fight.
Even if you are number one, if you slack off for a few weeks you become number 25 quickly.
As per his own book which is great he was doing more training with the Japanese maids than anything else.
 
yes, i remember at the time that nobody was even slightly covering the fight, i didnt even realise he was fighting until the day after, and my family used to sit up and watch the Tyson fights so i can only imagine it wasnt shown on TV over here due to lack of demand

and i remember the first picture i saw was him trying to put his mouthpiece in and it was hard to believe it was Tyson

i personally think the Ruddock fights took more out of Tyson than any of his others combined, he took some heavy heavy shots in those 2 fights
 
Second biggest sports upset of all time ... 42/1. Only bested by Leciester City winning the Premier League.
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Is there a bigger upset in the history of combat sports ?
 
As per his own book which is great he was doing more training with the Japanese maids than anything else.
I read Bobby Brown's book and he confirmed that they were up screwing around with the maids the night before, true. Bobby also said he cried and felt guilty watching the fight. They talked about it in a recent podcast.
 
yes, i remember at the time that nobody was even slightly covering the fight, i didnt even realise he was fighting until the day after, and my family used to sit up and watch the Tyson fights so i can only imagine it wasnt shown on TV over here due to lack of demand

and i remember the first picture i saw was him trying to put his mouthpiece in and it was hard to believe it was Tyson

i personally think the Ruddock fights took more out of Tyson than any of his others combined, he took some heavy heavy shots in those 2 fights
The Ruddock fights taking a lot out of him has been said before, people forget those fights, particularly the second one just because it happened right before the rape sentence. Those were pretty solid performances against a live, gutsy opponent.
 
The Ruddock fights taking a lot out of him has been said before, people forget those fights, particularly the second one just because it happened right before the rape sentence. Those were pretty solid performances against a live, gutsy opponent.
i think the pair of those fights took a lot out of both of them, they fucking battered each other, and the pair of them stood up to all the shots
 
i think the pair of those fights took a lot out of both of them, they fucking battered each other, and the pair of them stood up to all the shots
I could see it, I wondered how much credit Lennox deserved for cleaning Lennox up the way he did. Ruddock took a beating, broken jaw and ribs, tough man with a big punch. Every so often someone will mention how hard a fight that was for Mike but it's mostly forgotten about. For all the talk about Mike never being the same after Douglas, he went on another mini reign of terror before prison, took out steward and Tillman with great performances and then the fight with a real challenge in Ruddock. He deserved credit for those fights.

George Foreman had a theory that Tyson was a guy who needed to be firing on all cylinders for his particular assets to work, and said something about if he slowed down just a tad he'd fall apart. There may have been something to that because when he lost, he lost bad, when he won he usually won big.
 
yes, but really, mike was already into trouble and soon after got in trouble for that bogus rape claim, and it really hurt his career..... and it was as bogus as it gets.
 
yes, but really, mike was already into trouble and soon after got in trouble for that bogus rape claim, and it really hurt his career..... and it was as bogus as it gets.
I still don't know, depends on the evidence you look at. One thing for sure, that could happen to a lot of celebs if they aren't in control of themselves. Tyson claimed she was mad that Mike wouldn't walk her down to the car after sex and that was why she was pissed. Maybe that's what happened, you don't want to piss someone off in those situations. Mike obviously never took to the lesson, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". Either that, or maybe he really did rape her. I'll always be suspicious of that though.

Honestly, probably could have happened to many of the past heavyweight champs who are generally very sexually driven. Dempsey was accused a couple times, tried and got off, Liston was said to have raped women and it got hushed up, recently, Foreman was in some trouble for molesting some girls 50 years ago and Ali has had stories of underage girls (never violent rape though) and spousal abuse. Why put yourself into those positions? But, youth is wasted on the young, I've done dumb shit too so who am I to say?
 
think we have all done some dumb shit at one point, but i can tell you this, ive never been accused of raping someone, let alone tried and been found guilty of it

Tyson apologists who dismiss him raping someone are the scum of the earth
 
think we have all done some dumb shit at one point, but i can tell you this, ive never been accused of raping someone, let alone tried and been found guilty of it

Tyson apologists who dismiss him raping someone are the scum of the earth
if tyson merely didn't walk her down to her car, IF that is true, then he was stupid for getting himself involved with a headcase who'd accuse him of rape over that. And.., she had accused an old boyfriend of rape because "what else was I going to tell him" (words to the accused about what she should have told her father) in other words, getting involved with the wrong woman is dumb. tupac getting head on a dance floor and then getting accused by a woman he claims she was pissed because he allowed her to get raped is similar. We don't know what happened, I've gotten involved with "scum" myself and they aren't always males. And no, I've never been accused of rape, I have however been played with and tricked and shamed because of it.

We weren't there, we don't know what happened. I've run into headcases though, ones you wouldn't think would pull shit like they eventually did, and i've also just been naive and allowed lowlife women to take advantage of me, once upon a very long time ago. that can happen to anyone.
 
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if tyson merely didn't walk her down to her car, IF that is true, then he was stupid for getting himself involved with a headcase who'd accuse him of rape over that. And.., she had accused an old boyfriend of rape because "what else was I going to tell him" (words to the accused about what she should have told her father) in other words, getting involved with the wrong woman is dumb. tupac getting head on a dance floor and then getting accused by a woman he claims she was pissed because he allowed her to get raped is similar. We don't know what happened, I've gotten involved with "scum" myself and they aren't always males. And no, I've never been accused of rape, I have however been played with and tricked and shamed because of it.

We weren't there, we don't know what happened. I've run into headcases though, ones you wouldn't think would pull shit like they eventually did, and i've also just been naive and allowed lowlife women to take advantage of me, once upon a very long time ago. that can happen to anyone.
You're right we weren't there but a jury had enough evidence to convict him in a criminal court of law where the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt. He's also been known to make self-incriminating statements that are highly damning to his own character. Here are just a couple infamous examples. It's seriously not a good look and is quite telling.

“I want you to know this: I'm not above violating no woman. But I didn't violate that woman [Desiree Washington]. That's just keeping it real. Especially back then. Back then I wasn't above violating and taking pussy.”

“(Wallace Matthews) called me a ‘rapist’ and a ‘recluse’. I'm not a recluse.”
 
You're right we weren't there but a jury had enough evidence to convict him in a criminal court of law where the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt. He's also been known to make self-incriminating statements that are highly damning to his own character. Here are just a couple infamous examples. It's seriously not a good look and is quite telling.

“I want you to know this: I'm not above violating no woman. But I didn't violate that woman [Desiree Washington]. That's just keeping it real. Especially back then. Back then I wasn't above violating and taking pussy.”

“(Wallace Matthews) called me a ‘rapist’ and a ‘recluse’. I'm not a recluse.”
Ya, he's said a lot of things. So, what do we do with this info? Should we just hate Mike for it forever? What exactly?

I've been listening to a lot of Michael Jackson debate about molestation, now, here's a guy who paid a lot of money to avoid one trial, won the next one and it's still really not clear what happened. Even though he won the trial that did got to court, people still think he was a molestor. The legal system doesn't prove things, just look at OJ.

My take is, at the very least, you put yourself in vulnerable positions like these guys do and it's at least partially their faults. Everyone, male and female should be slow and careful about who they allow into their sphere and how close they let them, everyone should because we all are vile.
 
Ya, he's said a lot of things. So, what do we do with this info? Should we just hate Mike for it forever? What exactly?

I've been listening to a lot of Michael Jackson debate about molestation, now, here's a guy who paid a lot of money to avoid one trial, won the next one and it's still really not clear what happened. Even though he won the trial that did got to court, people still think he was a molestor. The legal system doesn't prove things, just look at OJ.

My take is, at the very least, you put yourself in vulnerable positions like these guys do and it's at least partially their faults. Everyone, male and female should be slow and careful about who they allow into their sphere and how close they let them, everyone should because we all are vile.
His legal conviction doesn't prove with absolute certainty that he did in fact rape Washington but the probability was found to be beyond a reasonable doubt that he did. When you examine his own comments on top of it, well, it paints a pretty clear picture. Mike served his sentence, half of it anyway, but I've never seen any compelling evidence that could exonerate him. If it did exist then he likely wouldn't have been found guilty of the crime in the first place.
 
His legal conviction doesn't prove with absolute certainty that he did in fact rape Washington but the probability was found to be beyond a reasonable doubt that he did. When you examine his own comments on top of it, well, it paints a pretty clear picture. Mike served his sentence, half of it anyway, but I've never seen any compelling evidence that could exonerate him. If it did exist then he likely wouldn't have been found guilty of the crime in the first place.
Maybe.
 
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