Is skull thickness the reason behind a good chin?

[BGDDYKWL]

I feel like guys whose face is shaped like Hunt's are typically the ones with the best chins, meaning the bottom half of their face doesn't triangle to the chin, but is more square. Chuvalo obviously had this, and a guy like Rampage has this type of shaped head as well. But then you have guys like Hendo and Hagler who don't really have faces shaped like that, then a guy like Brock who definitely did who didn't take punches so well. Granted with Brock it was more psychological. Probably a combination of factors, including shape, bone structure, neurological composition, possibly even personality traits like mental toughness and will could even come into play.

 

[BJ2001]

CT scans showed Julio Cesar Chavez had an unusually thick skull...

 

[ThePunisher]

Behind your ears where your jaw bone ends, there is a bundle of nerves. How these nerves react to pressure (not everyone is the same) determines your "jaw". Hitting these nerves often of course weaken them, thus fighters can get a glass jaw over time. Neck size, skull thickness, and many other factors can make you hard to knock out when being punched, but the chin specifically is a result of these nerves sensitivity, nothing else.

Wrong. A knockout is the result of someone's brain suddenly getting rattled inside the skull/hitting against the skull.

And to the people saying that skull thickness plays a factor. Wrong. The skull is a bone. It encases the brain. I just told you that a knockout is a result of the chin (the "fulcrum" of the head "machine") being struck with such velocity that it causes the head to suddenly jerk, which makes the brain rattle for a second. How does thickness lay into that?

And I'm really surprised that people thought the "chin" was literally the knockout button. You can't be that dumb? It just so happens that the chin is the the perfect "balance" spot (fulcrum) where it's the center section where hitting it disturbs the balance. i worded that fucked up, and probably didn't even use the word fulcrum correctly. What I'm getting at is, if you were to look at a big giant ball, let's a say a bowling ball, resting on a relatively small point, and your task is to knock that shit off balance, where do you think you'll have best sucess? Graze the top of the bowling ball? Hit it head on in the middle? Or hit the shit out of the "fulcrum" , the weak point where the balance is distributed?

The chin.


So after talking a bunch of nonsense, my long winded answer is no. Skull thickness has ZERO to do with it. I'm not prepared to argue neck muscles though. I can't get past the logical barrier about how a punch can be weakened by "rolling with it," e.g. turning your head in the same direction that the punch is moving, boxers are great at this. So, they are slowing down the momentum of the punch, in other words elongating the impact time (this is a simple concept; think about why it doesn't hurt as much when you jump off a high point and bend your knees as you land. You lengthened the impact time, taking off momentum). SO.......having thick neck muscles.....that DOESN'T roll with the punch....in fact, you could argue the neck muscles will absorb the impact and DEFINITELY wouldn't lengthen the moment of impact. So I don't see how that could protect against KOs. It seems it would happen more frequently since you're no longer rolling with the punch, but in fact completely absorbing and eating it. But anecdotal evidence seems to go against everything I just said so I won't defend this point too much. There must be other variables I'm completely overlooking.

 

[THHR23]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/worst-life-ever-the-story-of-kazuyuki-fujitas-skull/

Fujita could take a good beating back in the day and he had a thicker skull.

 

[Kaioken x 10]

Looking at all these guys you notice a variation in head size and features but all are durable. Now typically people with good chins are thought of having big heads,chins,jaws, or necks but what else is there could it be the thickness of your skull Marvin Hagler for example had a thick layer of bone covering his temple and looking at his head it looks pretty average also Fujita but he had a big head. So who's to say this isn't the case with each of these fighters maybe size does effect taking a punch but there's usually that one person without overly pronounced features like Muhammad Ali or Fedor Emelianenko,Igor Vovchanchyn who can take a good punch. What do you feel is the cause?

There's no way anyone has bone covering their temple. Your temple is where your jaw muscle is.

But to answer your question, yeah, I think large/thick skulls help a lot with absorbing punches, same with thick/strong neck muscles. But also a lot of other things come into play, like posture, tucking your chin, and knowing how to roll with a punch. Getting hit hard in the forehead is much easier to take than getting hit in the jaw.

 

[Peachmm]

I dont understan how neck thick and head width make a chin more well strong. Chin have own thing of their own not in the head or neck, differnt place of being

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unforgivable

 

[batmansmyname]

Wrong. A knockout is the result of someone's brain suddenly getting rattled inside the skull/hitting against the skull.

And to the people saying that skull thickness plays a factor. Wrong. The skull is a bone. It encases the brain. I just told you that a knockout is a result of the chin (the "fulcrum" of the head "machine") being struck with such velocity that it causes the head to suddenly jerk, which makes the brain rattle for a second. How does thickness lay into that?

And I'm really surprised that people thought the "chin" was literally the knockout button. You can't be that dumb? It just so happens that the chin is the the perfect "balance" spot (fulcrum) where it's the center section where hitting it disturbs the balance. i worded that fucked up, and probably didn't even use the word fulcrum correctly. What I'm getting at is, if you were to look at a big giant ball, let's a say a bowling ball, resting on a relatively small point, and your task is to knock that shit off balance, where do you think you'll have best sucess? Graze the top of the bowling ball? Hit it head on in the middle? Or hit the shit out of the "fulcrum" , the weak point where the balance is distributed?

The chin.


So after talking a bunch of nonsense, my long winded answer is no. Skull thickness has ZERO to do with it. I'm not prepared to argue neck muscles though. I can't get past the logical barrier about how a punch can be weakened by "rolling with it," e.g. turning your head in the same direction that the punch is moving, boxers are great at this. So, they are slowing down the momentum of the punch, in other words elongating the impact time (this is a simple concept; think about why it doesn't hurt as much when you jump off a high point and bend your knees as you land. You lengthened the impact time, taking off momentum). SO.......having thick neck muscles.....that DOESN'T roll with the punch....in fact, you could argue the neck muscles will absorb the impact and DEFINITELY wouldn't lengthen the moment of impact. So I don't see how that could protect against KOs. It seems it would happen more frequently since you're no longer rolling with the punch, but in fact completely absorbing and eating it. But anecdotal evidence seems to go against everything I just said so I won't defend this point too much. There must be other variables I'm completely overlooking.

 

[tec5210]

Looking at all these guys you notice a variation in head size and features but all are durable. Now typically people with good chins are thought of having big heads,chins,jaws, or necks but what else is there could it be the thickness of your skull Marvin Hagler for example had a thick layer of bone covering his temple and looking at his head it looks pretty average also Fujita but he had a big head. So who's to say this isn't the case with each of these fighters maybe size does effect taking a punch but there's usually that one person without overly pronounced features like Muhammad Ali or Fedor Emelianenko,Igor Vovchanchyn who can take a good punch. What do you feel is the cause?

Julio Cesar Chavez was well known to have an extra thick skull (thicker than average, anyway) and he had an ungodly chin. I believe he was only knocked down once in his 100+ fight career. Jake Lamotta the same (although he didn't fight as many times).

 

[frye666]

Wrong. A knockout is the result of someone's brain suddenly getting rattled inside the skull/hitting against the skull.

And to the people saying that skull thickness plays a factor. Wrong. The skull is a bone. It encases the brain. I just told you that a knockout is a result of the chin (the "fulcrum" of the head "machine") being struck with such velocity that it causes the head to suddenly jerk, which makes the brain rattle for a second. How does thickness lay into that?

And I'm really surprised that people thought the "chin" was literally the knockout button. You can't be that dumb? It just so happens that the chin is the the perfect "balance" spot (fulcrum) where it's the center section where hitting it disturbs the balance. i worded that fucked up, and probably didn't even use the word fulcrum correctly. What I'm getting at is, if you were to look at a big giant ball, let's a say a bowling ball, resting on a relatively small point, and your task is to knock that shit off balance, where do you think you'll have best sucess? Graze the top of the bowling ball? Hit it head on in the middle? Or hit the shit out of the "fulcrum" , the weak point where the balance is distributed?

The chin.


So after talking a bunch of nonsense, my long winded answer is no. Skull thickness has ZERO to do with it. I'm not prepared to argue neck muscles though. I can't get past the logical barrier about how a punch can be weakened by "rolling with it," e.g. turning your head in the same direction that the punch is moving, boxers are great at this. So, they are slowing down the momentum of the punch, in other words elongating the impact time (this is a simple concept; think about why it doesn't hurt as much when you jump off a high point and bend your knees as you land. You lengthened the impact time, taking off momentum). SO.......having thick neck muscles.....that DOESN'T roll with the punch....in fact, you could argue the neck muscles will absorb the impact and DEFINITELY wouldn't lengthen the moment of impact. So I don't see how that could protect against KOs. It seems it would happen more frequently since you're no longer rolling with the punch, but in fact completely absorbing and eating it. But anecdotal evidence seems to go against everything I just said so I won't defend this point too much. There must be other variables I'm completely overlooking.

wrong. Go back to my second post to have it all explained for you.

 

[BuiltRoyTough]

TS thanks for posting a picture of Mark Hunt a man who was brutally KOd by a middleweight and also put out cold in his last bout. Also thanks for not posting a picture of Roy Nelson, a man who was never KOd in the UFC and Took the best shots of the man that put Hunt out. Also unlike Hunt in Roy's sole TKO loss he was never out cold. Thanks again TS!

 

[Tungsten**]

No, there's plenty of BIGGER headed guys than listed here who get knocked out clean. You need to realize that these guys don't get punched "through" their skull, but it's the brain bouncing around on the "inside". So rather someone has an average thick skull or an EXTREMELY thick skull will not change the fact that their brains are being bumped around. Even a thin skull is good enough unless someone literally got his skull crushed in a fight, THEN you can say skull thickness matters.

Neck is a much bigger factor, unless you get hit directly in your equilibrium behind the ear, then your neck won't matter a bi,t and not a skull made of steel will even help that. Your equilibrium is deep inside your ear right behind it.

Take Cain for example, solid chin as shown in the Kongo fight, yet notice where JDS hit him, it was a 'direct' shot to his equilibrium.

 

[woodsideQ]

Not the chin literally, but I'm sure it does play a part in making someone harder to KO. It's kind of obvious that thicker and stronger bone protecting the brain would make it harder to damage it. It doesn't take a medical genius to realize this. However, there are many other factors involved. It's not one particular aspect that makes someone difficult to KO. It's several different things that come together.

well if what you say is true. then sherdoggers who claim knockouts make a fighter susceptible to subsequent knockouts are wrong as your skull thickness remains unchanged after being knocked out for the first time in one's career

 

[AkuraIchiban]

I bet the TS has a thick skull

 

[NutzThePsycho]

But think about head gear for instance it protects you a little from the full power of a punch or a bullet proof vest which protects you slightly from a bullet so wouldn't a thick skull work like head gear or a padding but harder

 

[jimmyw404]

I once saw a long, scientifically bolstered article on this. I don't remember where. But yeah, skull thickness, size, neck and distance between brain and skull are the big determinants of ability to take a punch. Someone's cardio is another big one that helps with recovery.

 

[JKS]

Fujita