Is Overpopulation a Myth

[Islam Imamate]

I’m not buying it. I think the premise is that more lanes will attract more drivers and more possible delays. Yes but it’s more drivers on that street. This will still reduce the cities overall traffic density and therefore travel times. So the answer to reducing traffic cannot logically be to close lanes.

Hey this isn't some theory, its been observed in multiple different countries over the last few decades. Its a combination of induced and latent demand that causes this. Instead of adding mroe lanes city palnners should invest in alternative transportaiton like public transit.

That's just kicking the can down the road. Sustaining a habitable planet is far more important than any of the other factors. A generation is just going to have to suck it up and work till they die I think.


If we were looking at any other species populating and being an environmental hazard the way we are we'd say it's time for a cull.

Or a generation or two could suck it up and not drive around in gas guzzling SUVs or live in McMansions. I prefer that idea over willing entering a Children of Men dystopia.

Yea, but people would have to live in 9 squaremeter rodentbox Apartments...

That's true to some extent but even without downsizing housing units you can fit a lot more living space if you have more high density housing as opposed to low density suburban sprawl.

 

[gspieler]

Well he's citing Thanos as a reason/source so...... yeah.

Thanos is a can.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Hey this isn't some theory, its been observed in multiple different countries over the last few decades. Its a combination of induced and latent demand that causes this. Instead of adding mroe lanes city palnners should invest in alternative transportaiton like public transit.

Or a generation or two could suck it up and not drive around in gas guzzling SUVs or live in McMansions. I prefer that idea over willing entering a Children of Men dystopia.

That's true to some extent but even without downsizing housing units you can fit a lot more living space if you have more high density housing as opposed to low density suburban sprawl.

SUV's and McMansions aren't going to solve it dude. We'd have to make huge changes to our lifestyles which people in the West aren't going to be willing to make.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well he's citing Thanos as a reason/source so...... yeah.

Huh? Reread his post, he's saying that Thanos in the MCU re-popularized the myth of overpopulation and not that he's citing him as his source. That much to me is obvious, those movies are the highest grossing ones and the overpopulation myth seems to make sense to normies who don't know better

It’s absolutely a myth and not even debatable. It’s astonishing though how many people still not only believe this idea, but promote it. I blame Thanos/MCU partially for keeping it going.

Its a myth that makes sense to laymen so its always been out there but yeah those movies really reintroduced the idea into the public consciousness.

 

[Islam Imamate]

SUV's and McMansions aren't going to solve it dude. We'd have to make huge changes to our lifestyles which people in the West aren't going to be willing to make.

What if people aren't willing to work until they're dead? Do you think people will be happy to do that? Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

What if people aren't willing to work until they're dead? Do you think people will be happy to do that? Somehow, I doubt it.

If there's no pension then what are you gonna do?

 

[Islam Imamate]

If there's no pension then what are you gonna do?

People overthrow governments for that kind of thing, really something to be avoided.

Besides once birth rates go down they are hard to get back up. Which means putting the species on the path to the collapse of civilization. I prefer giving up the SUVs and McMansions.

 

[Shaun K]

It has more to do with food supply, energy production/consumption,band waste than it does physical space

 

[Nada.]

That's true to some extent but even without downsizing housing units you can fit a lot more living space if you have more high density housing as opposed to low density suburban sprawl.

Of course, question is how you can create this without overpacking areas. Maybe I don't get you correct, I can imagine a lot of scenarios from quite comfortable city houses with garden, next to each other to flats or gigantic housing projects. And noone likes these.
Thing is, I'm living in germany and many people here can't afford their own house.
When I see pictures of Detroit/ projects I'm always a bit jealous cause everyone has his own house, even if it's a shitty one.
Most people in cities here have apartments, packed, often loud, neighbours wall to wall etc.

 

[PBAC]

If you ever drive across the USA you will see a lot of Nothing. Empty land just sitting there with nothing on it. There is miles and miles of nothing between cities. Why have we used more land for urban development? Seems like we are just letting all this good land go to waste by not developing it.


The Continental U.S. (i.e. lower 48) has about 1.9 Billion acres and the vast majority is undeveloped as only 69.4 million acres, or about 3.6% is urban. Here’s a fascinating map that shows how little land we live on; the green areas show U.S. Census blocks where the reported human population is zerO.

Look at all them green blocks where No one live. What a waste.

https://www.theifod.com/how-much-of-the-u-s-is-inhabited/

Look at this shit I drove by today and it looks like this for about an hr. So what 70miles.

You could fit millions of people there.

It's not about the space it's about the distribution of resources, housing, and jobs and how disruption to any one of these could cause any number of dilemmas. There is also the problem of having to reallocate arable land for other means ... as the Netherlands is doing to farmers.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Of course, question is how you can create this without overpacking areas. Maybe I don't get you correct, I can imagine a lot of scenarios from quite comfortable city houses with garden, next to each other to flats or gigantic housing projects. And noone likes these.
Thing is, I'm living in germany and many people here can't afford their own house.
When I see pictures of Detroit/ projects I'm always a bit jealous cause everyone has his own house, even if it's a shitty one.
Most people in cities here have apartments, packed, often loud, neighbours wall to wall etc.

Overpacking them is the point, hence my emphasis on "high density"

Part of the reason lots of places in the US are shitholes is because of low density housing, the lack of density means they don't generate enough tax revenue to sustain the infrastructure necessary to have low density housing. And then no one wants to accept a higher gas tax even though those who consume gas are the ones who use and abuse roads. There are other issues too like social isolation that comes from this style of housing

Not saying we should abolish low density housing but at least don't mandate it. Here lots of places are zoned for single use, single family houses only which inflates house prices ridiculously. Hence lots of younger, middle class folks are struggling to own their own home or even afford rent in some cities.

 

[cooks1]

If you ever drive across the USA you will see a lot of Nothing. Empty land just sitting there with nothing on it. There is miles and miles of nothing between cities. Why have we used more land for urban development? Seems like we are just letting all this good land go to waste by not developing it.


The Continental U.S. (i.e. lower 48) has about 1.9 Billion acres and the vast majority is undeveloped as only 69.4 million acres, or about 3.6% is urban. Here’s a fascinating map that shows how little land we live on; the green areas show U.S. Census blocks where the reported human population is zerO.

Look at all them green blocks where No one live. What a waste.

https://www.theifod.com/how-much-of-the-u-s-is-inhabited/

Look at this shit I drove by today and it looks like this for about an hr. So what 70miles.

You could fit millions of people there.

You are looking at population and over population completely bass ackwards. It's not about space. It's about resources, and resource allocation.

If we allocated resources optimally, we could probably have triple the worlds population if not more. But the way we squander them currently, it's fair to say we are over populated.

 

[Smokes]

It's not about the space it's about the distribution of resources, housing, and jobs and how disruption to any one of these could cause any number of dilemmas. There is also the problem of having to reallocate arable land for other means ... as the Netherlands is doing to farmers.

I am not sure what you mean by that but I was just reading about Bill Gates(America’s Largest Farm Land Owner) buying some more farm land and there was issues with it cause some Depression Era law that prohibits Corps from buy farm land in the area that Gates brought.

The state's Republican Attorney General Drew Wrigley had inquired into the land sale and on Wednesday issued a letter saying the transaction complied with the archaic anti-corporate farming law. The law prohibits corporations or limited liability companies from owning farmland or ranchland

And I don’t understand the purpose of the law. Why block Corps from buying farm land? Seem like a silly law.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...mland-purchase-tied-to-bill-gates?context=amp

 

[lifelessheap]

7 billion of anything is ridiculously huge amount.

And you compare that to other animals. I think we're the highest population.

Ants.

 

[Nada.]

Overpacking them is the point, hence my emphasis on "high density"

Part of the reason lots of places in the US are shitholes is because of low density housing, the lack of density means they don't generate enough tax revenue to sustain the infrastructure necessary to have low density housing. And then no one wants to accept a higher gas tax even though those who consume gas are the ones who use and abuse roads. There are other issues too like social isolation that comes from this style of housing

Not saying we should abolish low density housing but at least don't mandate it. Here lots of places are zoned for single use, single family houses only which inflates house prices ridiculously. Hence lots of younger, middle class folks are struggling to own their own home or even afford rent in some cities.

Ahh, thanks for the information. So roads etc are paid for by the communes and not the state?
And yea, a mandate sounds stupid. It should be after demand.
Rents here are high and unaffordable for people with ba's/ma's in the nicer cities like Berlin, hamburg etc aswell. So they move to the less populated ones, gentrificate them, investors will buy stuff and the same process happens again over and over. It's actually a trend to buy a bigger house, like old farm in countryside with friends and live there with 2 or more families because a house in a big city here is only for upper class or by luck.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Ahh, thanks for the information. So roads etc are paid for by the communes and not the state?
And yea, a mandate sounds stupid. It should be after demand.
Rents here are high and unaffordable for people with ba's/ma's in the nicer cities like Berlin, hamburg etc aswell. So they move to the less populated ones, gentrificate them, investors will buy stuff and the same process happens again over and over. It's actually a trend to buy a bigger house, like old farm in countryside with friends and live there with 2 or more families because a house in a big city here is only for upper class or by luck.

I believe the municipal government is supposed to maintain those roads but suburban sprawl doesn't generate enough tax revenue to support the very infrastructure it requires. I'm not against suburbs entirely but these shouldn't be zoned exclusively for residential use, singly family homes. There are designs for multifamily homes for suburbs as well as a push for multi-use structures. Not everywhere needs to be as densely populated as Tokyo but America is obviously doing things really wrong here.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Overpopualtion only exists in the big cities there is massive amounts of open land around the world.

 

[Nada.]

I believe the municipal government is supposed to maintain those roads but suburban sprawl doesn't generate enough tax revenue to support the very infrastructure it requires. I'm not against suburbs entirely but these shouldn't be zoned exclusively for residential use, singly family homes. There are designs for multifamily homes for suburbs as well as a push for multi-use structures. Not everywhere needs to be as densely populated as Tokyo but America is obviously doing things really wrong here.

I totally agree, places look vast and dull even in movies where they are portrayed as healthy on a "grass is green and houses in shape level". And yea, if it isn't affordable, change the system.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

There are only 1.1 mil people in Saskatchewan for example..
And it is pretty large.


There are more people in the city of Toronto than that entire province.

 

[squeezewax]

Yes it's a myth, a lie actually. The eugenicists don't agree though. Look at what's happening.