Is mma judging flawed, corrupt or incompetent?

[Cat Biscuits]

Wrestling and grappling are taxing on cardio. However, you can't win a fight where you get punched in the face more than the other guy, but get more takedowns or make the other guy more tired than you...

Judges will never understand that takedowns and grappling put you in a position that is advantageous to be able to deal more damage or end a fight.

But the thing is, if you don't use that advantage, is it really an advantage?

Should you really score a fight in their favor even though they were less effective while in an advantageous position?

If anything, I think that someone who is given an advantage and can't effectively use it should be seen more as a negative, not a positive.

It's like having a gun in a knife fight, but still missing all of your shots... it's embarrassing and pathetic.

Stop worrying about positional control, and make damage the ONLY scorable criteria. Everything else really doesn't matter, and these low IQ judges obviously need less to focus on.

 

[HaulParris]

As easy as it is to say number 2, and most people just wanna say that, I believe it's number 3.

I agree.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

They should let AI judge the fights.

 

[StonedLemur]

Before u guys defend the actual fight…i wanna say had no dog in the kara-france albazi fight. Could care less about either guy. So this isnt a complaint on the particular fight, but a question about ufc judging on the whole.

This stuff has been happening for far too long and nobody has done anything to change it.

it has to be 3 things:

1. the rules of how they judge is flawed as it leads to way too much controversial or bad decisions.

2. corruption, are judges just paid to give certain fighters wins or are they betting or telling their associates to bet and getting a cut.

3. The judges are just incompetent and don’t know how to score fights?

It has to be one of those things, right?

I'll go with....D.) All of the above lol

 

[StonedLemur]

The fans are more incompetent than the judges tbh, fans see things that just aren’t there and are often affected by misleading commentary. You had a bunch of people calling Islam-Volk a robbery even though the judges got that one spot on, that tells you everything you need to know.

Who even listens to the commentary anymore sir?

 

[Quietus]

Corrupt 100%, they're on the UFC payroll same as boxing judges are paid under the table to side with whatever promotion they're working for. UFC fixes big/pivotal/important fights in favor of business if they go to decision, but they're smart enough to realize that would look incredibly suspicious if those were the only fights judges conveniently got wrong.

So to cover for this they also fix mid-tier and unimportant fights randomly, to create this illusion of incompetency across the board. This trains fans to believe the judges might always get it wrong, which gives them the perfect cover to fix big fights and get away with it. "Another robbery, must be that crazy Sal D'mato again! when will judging change?!"--exactly what they want fans thinking, rather than calling the UFC out for it's blatant corruption.

 

[StonedLemur]

Let’s get AI to judge fights. It can’t be any worse than what we have right now.

I’m tired of “incompetence” being an excuse. If they’re never held to a standard, they’ll never change.

AI can't even make fingers look normal, no thanks sir.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

I didn't watch the fight so I'm speaking generally. Mostly incompetent or flawed. So many fights get scored screwy that have no immediate importantance that corruption doesn't make sense. Who cares if some unranked nobodies on the prelims get robbed? There isn't some criminal master plan going on in those situations.

it's because people think the corruption is Dana White sliding the judges a $50 to go "his" way. the reality of corruption is more like the judge himself bet on one guy and is using his position to sway the decision towards that fighter. people think it has to be some grand conspiracy in order for it to make sense but a lot of times it's just as simple as someone trying to make money for themselves.

 

[Shabal]

All three

 

[L0ki]

AI can't even make fingers look nirmal, no thanks sir.

Look at the mistakes people make lol

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Corrupt 100%, they're on the UFC payroll same as boxing judges are paid under the table to side with whatever promotion they're working for. UFC fixes big/pivotal/important fights in favor of business if they go to decision, but they're smart enough to realize that would look incredibly suspicious if those were the only fights judges conveniently got wrong.

So to cover for this they also fix mid-tier and unimportant fights randomly, to create this illusion of incompetency across the board. This trains fans to believe the judges might always get it wrong, which gives them the perfect cover to fix big fights and get away with it. "Another robbery, must be that crazy Sal D'mato again! when will judging change?!"--exactly what they want fans thinking, rather than calling the UFC out for it's blatant corruption.

this is insane to me because you can't fix fights if the 2 participants aren't aware of it. you're better off paying one of the fighters to take the L then it is to pay the 3 judges that might not even come into play if there is a finish. another reason is why would the UFC risk their entire company to fix the judges? all it takes is one person to talk and say they were bribed and not only is the game over their entire company's creditability is destroyed. also how can you explain the fights where the hype trains get derailed that DO go to decisions? like Roxy beating Maycee Barber.

 

[L0ki]

They get it right much more often than they get it wrong.

Getting it wrong just seems like it occurs more often than it does when it pops up for a big fight.

 

[StonedLemur]

Look at the mistakes people make lol

Yeah but at least you can see that person and out the blame where it belongs sir.

 

[djacobox372]

All three:

Flawed = The 10 point system combined with only 3 scoring intervals in most fights makes for horrible decisions
Corrupt = Bad judges are allowed to continue judging, draw-rounds are discouraged to allow for popular/company fighters to win more decisions, some judges seem out-right "gotten to."
Incompetent = The judges have no background in the sport, and many seem completely oblivious to the nuances.

 

[Ibm]

its a sport.... and a business. so yeah, all 3.

 

[L0ki]

Yeah but at least you can see that person and out the blame where it belongs sir.

I did. Which is why I quoted you.

You spelled normal as "nirmal".

People occasionally make mistakes.

 

[savemgs]

If I can kick your ass while stoned and on downers, then I deserve every penny of the fight purse, and you should question your career vocation as a combat sports participant.

O i see you want the old old days.

 

[StonedLemur]

I did. Which is why I quoted you.

You spelled normal as "nirmal".

People occasionally make mistakes.

Having big fingers and typing on a phone isn't nearly the same as fuckin up someones life sir.

 

[Bearknuckle]

Wrestling and grappling are taxing on cardio. However, you can't win a fight where you get punched in the face more than the other guy, but get more takedowns or make the other guy more tired than you...

Judges will never understand that takedowns and grappling put you in a position that is advantageous to be able to deal more damage or end a fight.

But the thing is, if you don't use that advantage, is it really an advantage?

Should you really score a fight in their favor even though they were less effective while in an advantageous position?

If anything, I think that someone who is given an advantage and can't effectively use it should be seen more as a negative, not a positive.

It's like having a gun in a knife fight, but still missing all of your shots... it's embarrassing and pathetic.

Stop worrying about positional control, and make damage the ONLY scorable criteria. Everything else really doesn't matter, and these low IQ judges obviously need less to focus on.

Also, sometimes the takedowns are defensive. Say the first 2 minutes a guy is getting absolutely lit up on the feet and wobbled and dropped, but shoots for a desperation takedown and gets it but only holds the position doing no damage while the guy on the bottom is landing punches and elbows from the bottom. The guy on top is really defensive only, he is on top for 3 minutes, yet that round will be scored a 10-9 solely because he got a takedown, which in reality did nothing as far as damage goes.

 

[El Fernas]

3, for the most part.