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Is mma judging flawed, corrupt or incompetent?

moosaev said:
The fans are more incompetent than the judges tbh, fans see things that just aren’t there and are often affected by misleading commentary. You had a bunch of people calling Islam-Volk a robbery even though the judges got that one spot on, that tells you everything you need to know.
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That was a robbery my friend, no way around it.
 
VenomCarnage said:
What I guess I’m saying is, where is this precedent for Athletics?
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Has there ever been? Solely based on the definition of athletics? Athletics are a multi-billion dollar industry, therein lies the precedence.
 
VenomCarnage said:
I don’t think if Gatlin fails for PEDs, he has the legal right to ‘keep it quiet’.
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I think that if anyone fails for PEDs we should all know about it immediately, it is banned and punishable in MMA, as a sport, although Darren Till doesn't think we should call this sport a sport. If there is to be any legitimacy to MMA, as a sport, it should be treated less as an entertainment property. Hard to do when it's treated as sports entertainment, but legal intentional violence is hard to market otherwise.

Jesus, the more I type, the less it sounds like I'm a fan of MMA. Which is the furthest thing from the truth. I just hate the way it caters to all the wrong things.
 
Betting odds were going wild in the main event. Even Bisping was beginning to raise questions.

Stay safe The Count.
 
VenomCarnage said:
This is taking the piss though.

Why even have USADA if we have zero transparency? We essentially are now in a position where we do not now even know if they are even testing them lol, we are legit just ‘trusting’ them.

How this is legal, I’ll never know.
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USA USA!! People are more concerned about immigrants or anything else stupid to take care of instead of fighting the real problems lol. Go figure. Because, yes, this is unacceptable.
 
Well….KKF blatantly lost his last title eliminator fight against Askarov. So he has to understand karma in some capacity. Also, it was very likely a move by Danar to get new blood at FLW since KKF has already had his shot.
It was probably determined beforehand if it wasn’t like a 50-44 Or obviously a KO/sub that KKF would lose. I’m very confident in that statement, sadly.
 
I didn't watch the fight so I'm speaking generally. Mostly incompetent or flawed. So many fights get scored screwy that have no immediate importantance that corruption doesn't make sense. Who cares if some unranked nobodies on the prelims get robbed? There isn't some criminal master plan going on in those situations.
 
It is beginning to resemble Boxing now. . Some decisions lately are insanity.

Needs to be electronic scoring set to agreed upon guidelines.
 
We just cannot ever know if individual fights are rigged or just judged by simpletons until someone is literally convicted in court.

But I do know that if I was involved in fixing fights, I'd be pretty happy with the way all the 'adults in the room' react to every decision by insisting that it couldn't possibly ever be corruption.

As if thinking there might be corruption in combat sports is the same as thinking lizard people run the Federal Reserve and not something that any non-halfwit with the most rudimentary understanding of its history knows has always been a problem.
 
GroundNPouter said:
It's far too subjective.

I think the solution is 2 judges and stats. The judges score the round and now that we have stat tracking come up with a point system similar to all of the fantasy games out there. Person with the most points per round wins the round for the "stat judge"
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God no
 
Depends on who's fighting obviously..

If it's perceeved that dana, the ufc or a popular fighter seems to gain from it it's corrupt..

In the case of condit vs lawler, hendricks vs gsp or aldo vs moraes it's flawed..

If it's two random fighters and someone obviously gets robbed it's incompetence..
 
I'd say try open scoring..

Some think it would end up with people cruising and that might be true but atleast have the right guy cruising..
 
I think judges don't know what tf they are scoring tbh. Also they need to change the scoring criteria to judge fights as a while like One FC does. I've had enough of this rd by rd scoring bs.
 
VenomCarnage said:
You must not watch that much then, because this stuff happens once a month.
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this one one of the worst robberies i've ever seen, and i've been watching this shit for like 15 years straight...

edgar henderson
machida jackson
tibau guillard comes to mind
 
Yes

but in all seriousness I think incompetence is the biggest problem, the judging system is a bit flawed, but I have no faith whatsoever in the people who are being selected to judge this stuff .
Let’s try the current system using people who aren’t imbeciles before we try anything else
 
I think it's a mixture of flaw and incompetence. The corruption is certainly a thing, especially with smaller orgs, but I honestly don't think that's really an issue with the UFC.

Incompetence is 100% a big issue. Many judges are simply not following the scoring criteria. There are judges who are still to this day scoring simple control time above effective striking/grappling. That's probably the most notable thing as of late.

But MMA judging is flawed in that it's quite subjective. It's incredibly difficult to have people agree on whether or not 5 good strikes should be scored better or worse than 1 great strike. People always like to scream about damage, but even that is incredibly subjective. Just because a strike cuts a fighter, that doesn't mean that it did more damage than the strikes landed by the other guy. Some fighters show wear and tear more obviously than others. Some guys cut, bruise, and swell easily, whereas others might need to take a prolonged beating before showing much at all. It's not uncommon for the strikes that don't look like they did much to be the ones that actually hurt the fighters the most. Five minutes is a long period of time to judge, especially when using the 10-point must system. It's not like we're using some criteria here where you get a set number of points for successfully performing a certain action.
 
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