Jumping is just one quantifiable way to measure athletism, otherwise, high jumpers would be ruling the roost in sport. For the grappling arts, core strength is more valued than ability to run fast or jump high. In football, quickness and speed don't mean the same things, the athletiscm for a lineman is different to that of a wide receiver. And as much as I loathe Jones, he may not be NFL athletic, but he is optimally athletic for MMA.Jone Jones cant jump, hes not athletic hes smart, hard working, on drugs, long and skillful
Randleman is athletic, Manheof is athletic, Jon Jones cant jump
Many would be rasslin' but Conor would be doing what he's doing now: boxing the ears off elite boxers like Malinaggi.If it wasn't for mma all these "athletes" would be plumbers, janitors, jizz moppers etc
Jumping is just one quantifiable way to measure athletism, otherwise, high jumpers would be ruling the roost in sport. For the grappling arts, core strength is more valued than ability to run fast or jump high. In football, quickness and speed don't mean the same things, the athletiscm for a lineman is different to, that of a wide receiver. And as much as I loathe Jones, he may not be NFL athletic, but he is optimally athletic for MMA.
So if DJ fought Holloway at 45, didn't cut any weight, while Holloway cut weight, Holloway is better P4P? Because that is DJ's relative walk around and Holloway's cut weight. People talk of weight but don't take into account walk around weight, weight with a certain percentage of body fat, height reach and all these other measurable a that fighters manipulate. For example, Cormier has a ton of fat, used to wrestle at 184, then ballooned up.....Same with Fedor, he is so valued in P4P discussion because he was a middleweight by modern standards but just didn't cut weight and cared not for nutrition like modern fighters do.
Lesnar did not compete in the Olympics.Athleticism doesnt matter that much in the cage other than endurance....
Cormier, Lesnar, Romero, were olympians...
Jones I could see him going down that road too though
Exactly, athletic is generally used to refer to jumping, running, fast twitch type stuff but I'm just saying there are all types of athletiscm. Athletiscm is just ones ability to get their body to move in a way they desire. Jumping athletiscm is not applicable swimming athletiscm, just like core strength athletiscm is not applicable to running athletiscm.Athletic is usually used to describe the ability to jump high run fast etc explosive movements.
By your use of the word Hong Man Choi is athletic because he can take a punch well and has heavy hands in kickboxing. Both important and potent attributes in the sport of kickboxing.
Before you can tell us that Jonesy is an "A level athlete, you first must define "A level athlete". You failed to do that so your thread gets an F.Or is he sub A level, or even B level. We all know he dominates and is levels above everyone else. His brother arthur was a good defensive tackle in his prime. And his other bro chandler is a beast A level freak athlete pass rusher.
Jones obviously was too skinny for football and is the least athletic brother yet he dominates MMA and is a specimen. If sub a level jones who might even be B level or even C level is tearing through the sport it shows there are no a level athletes in MMA.
Mma basically has poverty D level athletes with jones being the exception.
EDIT:jones might be C level
Exactly, athletic is generally used to refer to jumping, running, fast twitch type stuff but I'm just saying there are all types of athletiscm. Athletiscm is just ones ability to get their body to move in a way they desire. Jumping athletiscm is not applicable swimming athletiscm, just like core strength athletiscm is not applicable to running athletiscm.
I think in America especially, we think running/jumping athletiscm because that is what is used in our most popular sports (football and basketball..baseball to an extent to). There must be something said tho for the marathoner athlete, he who can't sprint fast but can go longer: the difference between a Yoel Romero and a Nick Diaz.
Fighting is so fucking awesome because we see two totally opposing athletes get to go head to head and to see what type of "athletiscm" wins out......which thus brings me to my final point in that the most sensible way to judge athletiscm is by who can kick the other one's ass. Running, jumping in all this other stuff really doesn't help if the shit hit the fan, as sports were originally invented to burn off that competetive spirit amongst men, so they could settle disputes and whatnot without killing each other; much like how wolf and bear cubs will playfully grapple to determine where they sit in the pecking order, so they can not only Sharon their fighting skills for later but also come to a hierarchical understanding without killing off it's own kind.
He's not even a good athlete. He's just blessed with height, reach, fight IQ and legs that allow him to make 205.
I take nothing away from his fighting ability but as an athlete, he probably couldn't make it in any other sport.
pretty sure this isn't relevant retardA level?!?! LMAO Dude isn't even C level
Yep. It's the one sport every living entity plays, even the cells in our body are fighting on a daily basis. No bears, bird or fish play basketball or long jump, but they all fight when they need to, whether it be for food, resources, breeding rights, territory or just enjoying a good old knock.I agree its the most pure form of sport imo its the oldest sport too predating our species
Exactly, athletic is generally used to refer to jumping, running, fast twitch type stuff but I'm just saying there are all types of athletiscm. Athletiscm is just ones ability to get their body to move in a way they desire. Jumping athletiscm is not applicable swimming athletiscm, just like core strength athletiscm is not applicable to running athletiscm.
I think in America especially, we think running/jumping athletiscm because that is what is used in our most popular sports (football and basketball..baseball to an extent to). There must be something said tho for the marathoner athlete, he who can't sprint fast but can go longer: the difference between a Yoel Romero and a Nick Diaz.
Fighting is so fucking awesome because we see two totally opposing athletes get to go head to head and to see what type of "athletiscm" wins out......which thus brings me to my final point in that the most sensible way to judge athletiscm is by who can kick the other one's ass. Running, jumping in all this other stuff really doesn't help if the shit hit the fan, as sports were originally invented to burn off that competetive spirit amongst men, so they could settle disputes and whatnot without killing each other; much like how wolf and bear cubs will playfully grapple to determine where they sit in the pecking order, so they can not only Sharon their fighting skills for later but also come to a hierarchical understanding without killing off it's own kind.