is it "wrong" to sleep with a married person?

[Kframe]

Prefer it all you want. It serves nothing but your selfish, immature impulses.

Its not immature to not want to put yourself in a position were a woman can potentially get half of your stuff. Its not immature to notice that they as a species play bullshit games with good men. Fucking the alpha while stringing along the "husband material" guy. Its not immature to note from those in the situation how their shit goes down. I have already named some of the games. Like him or hate him. BBSB and his SMV are correct. I stand in the middle of all the bullshit games their kind pull and I am fucking sick of it. Sick of watching other men make the same mistake of trusting any woman to be a good mate in a LTR, when we all know the truth.. They fucking turn on you like a rabid pitbull.

Good guys finish last, because women don't want to fuck good guys. They want pieces of shit. Unless of course they are past their expiration date, then they get baby rabies and find the first willing cock to get them preggo.

So no, it is not immature to not want to deal with all the bullshit that females bring. Just do as my old man once told me. Find em, Feel em, fuck em, and forget em. Oh and wear a jimmy hat..

 

[Mike]

Sure. A word like morality will always be subjective.

That said the more one tries to impose ones morality on others the more that gets watered down. A fundamentalist muslim might find even our most conservative poster here immoral. And that is because the other person is not living to the fundamentalists code.

I don't impose my view of morality on others when it comes to consensual adult activities. I respect your right to live to your code and I expect the same but the fundamentalist try to just as you guys are trying to. You are literally saying 'if you do not live your life the way I think you should live your life you are immoral.'

And sorry you don't get to make that distinction for others. We cannot decide others morality of consensual adult activities. If two adults who want to be swingers have relationships with other swingers you may say 'i don't agree with their morals' but you don't get to determine what is moral for others anymore than the Taliban could do so for you.

Think about it. Would you accept the Taliban's interpretation of your actions as moral or not or would you summarily reject it?

I did say earlier that some people are swingers or in some other type of open relationship and I have no issue with that, although that lifestyle isn't for me. The thread wasn't really about that. It's not my place to tell other people what type of relationships to have.


The thread is about whether it's wrong to knowingly sleep with someone that's in a committed relationship. That's pretty clearly morally wrong imo. Yes sometimes people hide their marital status, and I don't think most people would blame someone for having sex with someone they didn't know was in a committed relationship.

 

[Harmonica]

Its not immature to not want to put yourself in a position were a woman can potentially get half of your stuff. Its not immature to notice that they as a species play bullshit games with good men. Fucking the alpha while stringing along the "husband material" guy. Its not immature to note from those in the situation how their shit goes down. I have already named some of the games. Like him or hate him. BBSB and his SMV are correct. I stand in the middle of all the bullshit games their kind pull and I am fucking sick of it. Sick of watching other men make the same mistake of trusting any woman to be a good mate in a LTR, when we all know the truth.. They fucking turn on you like a rabid pitbull.

Good guys finish last, because women don't want to fuck good guys. They want pieces of shit. Unless of course they are past their expiration date, then they get baby rabies and find the first willing cock to get them preggo.

So no, it is not immature to not want to deal with all the bullshit that females bring. Just do as my old man once told me. Find em, Feel em, fuck em, and forget em. Oh and wear a jimmy hat..

Like I said, it seems to me that not a single bitter person in this thread had a loving, stable and above all moral family which instilled good values in them and provided them with a happy childhood. My parents' marriage was completely opposite of everything you just wrote. Everything I had been exposed to whilst growing up made me want to have a family of my own since it is really, really awarding...at least when you know how to build it and conduct it.

I am sorry that you've never encountered a woman who's not a complete and utter scumbag but not everyone suffers from it. Maybe you should ask yourself what are the qualities you posses that would make you attractive to them? Because one cannot attract great people if he's not great himself.

Oh, right...I forgot.

"All women are sluts."

 

[Kframe]

Like I said, it seems to me that not a single bitter person in this thread had a loving, stable and above all moral family which instilled good values in them and provided them with a happy childhood. My parents' marriage was completely opposite of everything you just wrote. Everything I had been exposed to whilst growing up made me want to have a family of my own since it is really, really awarding...at least when you know how to build it and conduct it.

I am sorry that you've never encountered a woman who's not a complete and utter scumbag but not everyone suffers from it. Maybe you should ask yourself what are the qualities you posses that would make you attractive to them? Because one cannot attract great people if he's not great himself.

Oh, right...I forgot.

"All women are sluts."

First, fuck you my child hood has nothing to do with my anger. Its my marriage. .Bitch fucked like a rabit before marriage. LITERALLY the day we got hitched, the sex stopped.. THAT FUCKING WEEK IT STOPPED. Went from 5 times a week to twice a month. That is just the start. She became fucking controlling and bitter and angry. Gets pissed when I go work out or to MA. Starts multi hour screaming matches at the drop of a fucking hat. We got kids so it will take some time to get the divorce ducks in a row, so that I don't end up living in a fucking van down by the river.

Not to mention watching so many others go through similar, and all the posts on other forums and here from good men, who treated their girl right only to have her fuck someone else or play all the other games.

So prove to me their entire sex isn't worthless sluts that want nothing more then to play games with good men? Fucking prove it. So far I have seen the "Good guys finish last" cliché prove out true 100% of the time. Good guys don't get 10's. They get expired leftovers. Good guys are not the first choice, but the last resort. Good guys, are the husband materials that get stringed along, with just enough pussy thrown at them to keep them mollified.

I am so done with women. Just want to fuck them and throw them out..

Again answer the question. Why should any good man go through with a LTR with a woman with all the risks it brings? The loss of stuff, the inevitable destruction of your sex life, the emotional mind games and other pitfalls. Why should anyone risk it? Why saddle yourself to someone who wants to control your life, and prevent you from having fun and making memories and being yourself?

 

[Harmonica]

First, fuck you my child hood has nothing to do with my anger. Its my marriage. .Bitch fucked like a rabit before marriage. LITERALLY the day we got hitched, the sex stopped.. THAT FUCKING WEEK IT STOPPED. Went from 5 times a week to twice a month. That is just the start. She became fucking controlling and bitter and angry. Gets pissed when I go work out or to MA. Starts multi hour screaming matches at the drop of a fucking hat. We got kids so it will take some time to get the divorce ducks in a row, so that I don't end up living in a fucking van down by the river.

Not to mention watching so many others go through similar, and all the posts on other forums and here from good men, who treated their girl right only to have her fuck someone else or play all the other games.

So prove to me their entire sex isn't worthless sluts that want nothing more then to play games with good men? Fucking prove it. So far I have seen the "Good guys finish last" cliché prove out true 100% of the time. Good guys don't get 10's. They get expired leftovers. Good guys are not the first choice, but the last resort. Good guys, are the husband materials that get stringed along, with just enough pussy thrown at them to keep them mollified.

I am so done with women. Just want to fuck them and throw them out..

Again answer the question. Why should any good man go through with a LTR with a woman with all the risks it brings? The loss of stuff, the inevitable destruction of your sex life, the emotional mind games and other pitfalls. Why should anyone risk it? Why saddle yourself to someone who wants to control your life, and prevent you from having fun and making memories and being yourself?

Well, when you describe it that way, it's hard to argue against it. One of my good friend's marriage turned out the same, maybe even worse. It even descended to psychotic scenarios at one point. But in the end, it was a consequence of your respective poor choices. It is by no means an universal rule, in spite of appearances due to all the failed or miserable marriages. Not everyone failed in picking the right woman. My father sure as hell didn't. Neither did I nor lots of other people I know. Sure, we are a minority, but still.

I am sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention to do so. There are tons of reasons why people end up miserable in marriages and I've had philosophical discourses on this very forum which tried to decipher the origin of its failures. In a nutshell, my argument was that people who don't assign purpose to their marriage will fuck it up.

 

[Kframe]

Well, when you describe it that way, it's hard to argue against it. One of my good friend's marriage turned out the same, maybe even worse. It even descended to psychotic scenarios at one point. But in the end, it was a consequence of your respective poor choices. It is by no means an universal rule, in spite of appearances due to all the failed or miserable marriages. Not everyone failed in picking the right woman. My father sure as hell didn't. Neither did I nor lots of other people I know. Sure, we are a minority, but still.

I am sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention to do so. There are tons of reasons why people end up miserable in marriages and I've had philosophical discourses on this very forum which tried to decipher the origin of its failures. In a nutshell, my argument was that people who don't assign purpose to their marriage will fuck it up.

Purpose? I had fucking purpose. I was trying to be a good husband. Shit didn't matter did it? How the hell was I or any other dude going to know that the woman they are dating is not the woman they will marry? Did I get played? Yep.

You keep saying not all women are like that but I can find tens of thousands of posts from women on the net. Saying they loved their men, treated them right but just couldn't help the attraction or chemistry to the other person. Lying cunts just can't be truthful and admit they were bored with their men and wanted out.

 

[Harmonica]

Purpose? I had fucking purpose. I was trying to be a good husband. Shit didn't matter did it? How the hell was I or any other dude going to know that the woman they are dating is not the woman they will marry? Did I get played? Yep.

You keep saying not all women are like that but I can find tens of thousands of posts from women on the net. Saying they loved their men, treated them right but just couldn't help the attraction or chemistry to the other person. Lying cunts just can't be truthful and admit they were bored with their men and wanted out.

I had other things in mind when I said "purpose". As in, what is the purpose of your marriage? Why did you get married in the first place?

Yes, but you were dealing with women who had also made poor choices. They have gotten married for wrong reasons and payed the price.

 

[lesnarsneedle]

Ignore the kid. He's got a pathological need for attention. This usually happens when parents spent most of their time arguing about their shitty marriage, disregarding the children completely in the process.

How could anyone argue about a marriage when the woman is a loyal, faithful angel incapable of such things?

 

[lesnarsneedle]

bro stop mentioning me if its not about one of my quotes directly. you want to paint me as someone who thinks women aren't capable of being bitches or cunts but thats not true.

I'll mention you whenever I want.

The fact that that you think even some women aren't like that shows how simple minded you are.

They are all like that.

 

[Kframe]

I had other things in mind when I said "purpose". As in, what is the purpose of your marriage? Why did you get married in the first place?

Yes, but you were dealing with women who had also made poor choices. They have gotten married for wrong reasons and payed the price.

That purpose word you keep using isn't right. People tend to get married out of love. Mine claimed and acted like she did love me. Still does. Yet here we are, a decade later and I am still in a sexless marriage, marred by her emotional instability. Not sure how love and purpose are the same thing here mate. NO one unless it is a shot gun wedding due to getting pregnant, has a purpose other then wanting to commit to someone they think they love.

 

[lesnarsneedle]

Like I said, it seems to me that not a single bitter person in this thread had a loving, stable and above all moral family which instilled good values in them and provided them with a happy childhood. My parents' marriage was completely opposite of everything you just wrote. Everything I had been exposed to whilst growing up made me want to have a family of my own since it is really, really awarding...at least when you know how to build it and conduct it.

I am sorry that you've never encountered a woman who's not a complete and utter scumbag but not everyone suffers from it. Maybe you should ask yourself what are the qualities you posses that would make you attractive to them? Because one cannot attract great people if he's not great himself.

Oh, right...I forgot.

"All women are sluts."

What don't you understand about you don't know shit about your parents relationship?

You watching them as a kid means nothing.

They had a life before you and there's no telling what happened before you were born or shortly after seeing as how up until 20 or maybe even more you were a young, stupid, impressionable kid and regardless they wouldn't tell you because it's none of your business and they would like to keep up appearances.

You might see a loving stable relationship on the outside but you're just a kid that can be bullshitted until kingdom come. You think they were committed and never cheated on each other meanwhile they actually have.

You think one way about your parents, then one of their friends comes along and starts saying shit like "yea ol' Jennifer could really drink people under the table back in the day!" And you're all like wuuuuttttt???? My mom??? No way!

The same goes with cheating.

The friend is just kind enough to talk about the drinking games rather than what actually happened after all the liquor was ingested.

"Yep, ol' Jennifer could really suck a basketball through a garden hose back in the day!"

You are one of the most naive people I have ever encountered.

All women are sluts, including your mother and grandmother.

 

[tramendous]

I'll mention you whenever I want.

The fact that that you think even some women aren't like that shows how simple minded you are.

They are all like that.

Okay man. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that youre trolling because you cant possibly be this stupid.

 

[lesnarsneedle]

Okay man. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that youre trolling because you cant possibly be this stupid.

Whores.

 

[gatchaman]

you have no intention of taking them from their spouse or telling. is it still a scum bag move?

It is wrong, by the standard of the majority in the community as evidenced by the poll results, but it does not make you a scum bag, to me, if you do it.

I think the considerations in pursuing this course of action are:
1) Your standing in your community
2) What will be the impact on the couple?
3) Sometimes you need to not give a fuck to get a fuck.

The community decided to stone a prostitute for the sin of adultery, but Jesus intervened with, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." A similar sentiment is love the sinner; hate the sin. But few individuals live up to the standard set by Jesus, and so adulterers will be judged by their community. In Tolstoy's War and Peace, the wife of the protagonist is a minor character, and her short story is dominated by her multiple acts of adultery. She does not garner much sympathy until a similar, but more fully developed, character becomes the protagonist in Anna Karenina. The tragic end for Anna and her lover can, at least partly, be attributed to the large portion of society that chose to hate the sinner. From the poll, 75% judge the action of sleeping with a married person wrong, and an unknown percentage would ostracize you for committing this wrong. Your life in the community will continue after the act.

Knowing the ultimate fate of Anna Karenina, could you be the person who rides her around the course to her ultimate demise? Could you make that fatal impact on her life? But you can't know ahead of time what will be the ultimate outcome of your actions. In Tolstoy's short story The Forged Coupon, the minor criminal act of forgery touches many lives; a pious woman has her throat slit, but her murderer ultimately becomes pious, so perhaps a sin can ultimately save a sinner. In Tolstoy's Resurrection, a landowner rapes a peasant and then treats her as a prostitute, but both the landowner and the peasant seem to emerge improved from the ensuing ordeal spawned from that sin.

Worrying about the consequences of every interaction with another is a great way to cut yourself off from the rest of the world, for fear of negatively impacting yourself or others by your actions. And sometimes you need to not give a fuck to get a fuck.

 

[koolinkunming]

Some know precisely what you're talking about
@Mike90

Some will never understand until it's too late
@The Outflow @mooner100 @tramendous @MysticNinjaJay @koolinkunming @GearSolidMetal @AmbivalenceKing

I never said what you say I said about women being perfect or whatever. Don't mention me or address me again, kid.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

What don't you understand about you don't know shit about your parents relationship?

You watching them as a kid means nothing.

They had a life before you and there's no telling what happened before you were born or shortly after seeing as how up until 20 or maybe even more you were a young, stupid, impressionable kid and regardless they wouldn't tell you because it's none of your business and they would like to keep up appearances.

You might see a loving stable relationship on the outside but you're just a kid that can be bullshitted until kingdom come. You think they were committed and never cheated on each other meanwhile they actually have.

You think one way about your parents, then one of their friends comes along and starts saying shit like "yea ol' Jennifer could really drink people under the table back in the day!" And you're all like wuuuuttttt???? My mom??? No way!

The same goes with cheating.

The friend is just kind enough to talk about the drinking games rather than what actually happened after all the liquor was ingested.

"Yep, ol' Jennifer could really suck a basketball through a garden hose back in the day!"

You are one of the most naive people I have ever encountered.

All women are sluts, including your mother and grandmother.

That's fucking funny dude.

 

[lesnarsneedle]

I never said what you say I said about women being perfect or whatever. Don't mention me or address me again, kid.

Fuck you gonna do about it?

Nothing

I'd smack the shit out of you

 

[lesnarsneedle]

That's fucking funny dude.

That actually is funny and it's 100% true. I used to smoke weed as fast as it would burn and drink until I was sick to the point that I said I will never drink again and I was right back at it the next weekend.

I still drink every now and then. Plus all the other dumb things I've done in my life and I still continue to do a few dumb things. When I have kids I'm not going to sit there and tell them about all the stupid things I've done and all the weed I've smoked because I don't want them to think that it's ok and do it themselves just because they say to themselves well my dad did it.

That's the entire point of parenting. To teach the Next Generation to do better than you did and hope that they make a few less mistakes.

So why would your parents sit there and say yeah I used to be a complete whore back in the day? Exactly. They wouldn't.

These morons think that just because their perception of their parents while growing up was one way that that's exactly how it was as if their parents weren't young once once too

 

[Strange King]

Then your boy comes home and shoots you both.. Deservedly so.

Ive fucked plenty of my friends girls and this has never happened.

So you wouldn't hit it I take it lol

 

[Strange King]

That actually is funny and it's 100% true. I used to smoke weed as fast as it would burn and drink until I was sick to the point that I said I will never drink again and I was right back at it the next weekend.

I still drink every now and then. Plus all the other dumb things I've done in my life and I still continue to do a few dumb things. When I have kids I'm not going to sit there and tell them about all the stupid things I've done and all the weed I've smoked because I don't want them to think that it's ok and do it themselves just because they say to themselves well my dad did it.

That's the entire point of parenting. To teach the Next Generation to do better than you did and hope that they make a few less mistakes.

So why would your parents sit there and say yeah I used to be a complete whore back in the day? Exactly. They wouldn't.

These morons think that just because their perception of their parents while growing up was one way that that's exactly how it was as if their parents weren't young once once too

My mom sucked alot of dick growing up. everyone should know this about their parents. especially in today's times.

I should feel fortunate my mom was just a regular hoe and my dad ran through a few hoes but The next generation will probably have to come to grips that their mom ate alot of pussy and their dads sucked alot of dick. probably some transgender stories in there as well