Is it possible for a chin to get better over time? Sure seemed to work for Foreman

[Futbol Ukraine]

So young Foreman was known for having one of the best chins, but was still dropped a few times, once even by Jimmy Young who's not really known as a puncher.

Yet in his fat old reincarnation, the dude literally stood in front of proven punchers like Qawi and Holyfield and almost seemed to LET THEM hit him. It was crazy because I don't even remember him being rocked once in his second stint, and he was hit way more than in his first stint.

Did all the extra fat surrounding his neck area make him more durable? How did he achieve this?

 

[Queen B]

They just see the punches coming better.

Im sure Srisaket didnt see the punches coming and when he got KO'd his first 2 fights

 

[LangfordBarrow]

So young Foreman was known for having one of the best chins, but was still dropped a few times, once even by Jimmy Young who's not really known as a puncher.

Yet in his fat old reincarnation, the dude literally stood in front of proven punchers like Qawi and Holyfield and almost seemed to LET THEM hit him. It was crazy because I don't even remember him being rocked once in his second stint, and he was hit way more than in his first stint.

Did all the extra fat surrounding his neck area make him more durable? How did he achieve this?

I think it was due to him being a better ring general when he came back. I don't think he so much had a bad chin but was worn down exhausting himself when he was younger.

 

[jabelar]

It may just be bro science but I've heard that neck strength helps. Similarly, they're warning parents nowadays that girls are more prone to concussion due to weaker necks.

Additionally, maybe it is just bro science as well, but there is the idea that the punch you don't see coming is more likely to knock you out. That might be related to fact that your neck will be stiffened if you are expecting the impact.

So yeah I think a large increase in neck like foreman could increase chin.

 

[JayE]

Foreman was floored by Young (floored is a bit of an exaggeration of what happened) when he was gassed to shit. He was in terrible form in the ring that night. Foreman always had an iron chin, but chins are a product of a lot of factors, and most of those factors go by the wayside when you can barely stand.

Also, why is anyone who is celebrating Ukrainian football taking a McGregor av? Step it up, man.

 

[XThe GreatestX]

To me Foreman always had a good chin. With Ali and Young he was tired and the Young one was basically a flash.

One thing about his comeback that I always admired was that he was far more tight and compact. Not a lot of wild shit like in his younger days

 

[JayE]

To me Foreman always had a good chin. With Ali and Young he was tired and the Young one was basically a flash.

One thing about his comeback that I always admired was that he was far more tight and compact. Not a lot of wild shit like in his younger days

If only he was more disciplined in his younger days. Or, I guess, if only he had never been mentally broken by Ali in his younger days (as he was a pretty disciplined and fairly technical pressure fighter before Ali).

 

[XThe GreatestX]

If only he was more disciplined in his younger days. Or, I guess, if only he had never been mentally broken by Ali in his younger days (as he was a pretty disciplined and fairly technical pressure fighter before Ali).

One thing I always loved about George was his stepping to the side uppercut. He used it a ton during his comeback and used it to KO Gerry Cooney here. It's an interesting little trick. Throw a big uppercut while stepping completely to the side as if you are trying to walk by the opponent.

 

[JayE]

One thing I always loved about George was his stepping to the side uppercut. He used it a ton during his comeback and used it to KO Gerry Cooney here. It's an interesting little trick. Throw a big uppercut while stepping completely to the side as if you are trying to walk by the opponent.

When he's finishing guys off, even when he's ancient, you can see his quality. He doesn't flurry and then smother his work; he gauges each punch, moves his body accordingly, and makes it count. No panic or rush about it at all.

 

[Seano]

So young Foreman was known for having one of the best chins, but was still dropped a few times, once even by Jimmy Young who's not really known as a puncher.

Yet in his fat old reincarnation, the dude literally stood in front of proven punchers like Qawi and Holyfield and almost seemed to LET THEM hit him. It was crazy because I don't even remember him being rocked once in his second stint, and he was hit way more than in his first stint.

Did all the extra fat surrounding his neck area make him more durable? How did he achieve this?

eh, Holyfield wasn't really a massive puncher at HW. Qawi either but its true he did walk through some fire with Evander. I think a lot of it was his size and stance, he absorbed a shot well.

He got hurt a few times though. Cooney had him hurt and that was one of the rare fights in George's career where he didn't have a size advantage. I mean, he wrecked Cooney in the end but you could see the punches were getting to him at times. People always thought Briggs/Foreman was a bad decision but again, you could see the punches were hurting him more than against the tomato cans he fought.

Guys like Stewart beat the shit out of Foreman but just didn't have the pop to ring his bell.

Foremans comeback was more about carefully selected opposition. I think young Foreman would have given Evander more problems.

 

[Seano]

When he's finishing guys off, even when he's ancient, you can see his quality. He doesn't flurry and then smother his work; he gauges each punch, moves his body accordingly, and makes it count. No panic or rush about it at all.

He has a weird combination of sharp accuracy and thumping power. Chuvalo ( i believe) described it as getting hit with a telephone pole.

 

[reveler]

old foreman was relaxed, poised. relaxed fighters take damage better. young foreman was more wild and impulsive, chip on his shoulder.

old foreman was also ~40 lbs heavier.

 

[djacobox372]

Foreman went form aggressor to counter puncher... it's VERY hard to drop a counter puncher.

 

[CatchnShoot]

I think Foreman's chin was very good, but his gas tank wasn't.

 

[Prefect]

So young Foreman was known for having one of the best chins, but was still dropped a few times, once even by Jimmy Young who's not really known as a puncher.

Yet in his fat old reincarnation, the dude literally stood in front of proven punchers like Qawi and Holyfield and almost seemed to LET THEM hit him. It was crazy because I don't even remember him being rocked once in his second stint, and he was hit way more than in his first stint.

Did all the extra fat surrounding his neck area make him more durable? How did he achieve this?

Morrison shook him.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

eh, Holyfield wasn't really a massive puncher at HW. Qawi either but its true he did walk through some fire with Evander. I think a lot of it was his size and stance, he absorbed a shot well.

He got hurt a few times though. Cooney had him hurt and that was one of the rare fights in George's career where he didn't have a size advantage. I mean, he wrecked Cooney in the end but you could see the punches were getting to him at times. People always thought Briggs/Foreman was a bad decision but again, you could see the punches were hurting him more than against the tomato cans he fought.

Guys like Stewart beat the shit out of Foreman but just didn't have the pop to ring his bell.

Foremans comeback was more about carefully selected opposition. I think young Foreman would have given Evander more problems.

I don't know, I think you have to draw the line somewhere, once he was just old. Early comeback Foreman might have been better than young George but by the Briggs fight he was an old guy with bad hips.

 

[mozfonky]

young foreman was awesome, Ali stated that no one cut off the ring better, compared to the issues old george had with boxers, that should tell us something about the condition of his legs and the effect the 40 extra pounds had on him. the ali knockdown was more from exhaustion and submission than a kayo punch. Like Liston before him, they were both undone and tricked by Ali and their minds were so fucked up by him that they were stopped.

As far as chins, it's like most things in boxing, total mystery. I've seen some guys with horrible chins take beatings that they shouldn't be able to take (Patterson/ali 1, Hilton/benitez) and I've seen guys with granite chins hurt or kayoed by marshmellow punchers (Rosario/davis, Ali/liston,) Patterson once opined that Liston was maybe kayoed by ali because maybe the human body just had different abilities on different days but he could never understand how a guy like LIston who took huge punches from cleveland williams, would go down vs. ali. Arthur Mercante said it too, that boxing is a sport where a lot of things don't folllow logic, muscular guys sometimes can't break an egg and skinny guys can take down a building, and that guys who can take rights all night on the chin, collapse from a tap of a left hook.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

One thing I always loved about George was his stepping to the side uppercut. He used it a ton during his comeback and used it to KO Gerry Cooney here. It's an interesting little trick. Throw a big uppercut while stepping completely to the side as if you are trying to walk by the opponent.

A little bit reminiscent of Walcott. George also had one of the top greats of that era in his corner in Moore.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

young foreman was awesome, Ali stated that no one cut off the ring better, compared to the issues old george had with boxers, that should tell us something about the condition of his legs and the effect the 40 extra pounds had on him. the ali knockdown was more from exhaustion and submission than a kayo punch. Like Liston before him, they were both undone and tricked by Ali and their minds were so fucked up by him that they were stopped.

As far as chins, it's like most things in boxing, total mystery. I've seen some guys with horrible chins take beatings that they shouldn't be able to take (Patterson/ali 1, Hilton/benitez) and I've seen guys with granite chins hurt or kayoed by marshmellow punchers (Rosario/davis, Ali/liston,) Patterson once opined that Liston was maybe kayoed by ali because maybe the human body just had different abilities on different days but he could never understand how a guy like LIston who took huge punches from cleveland williams, would go down vs. ali. Arthur Mercante said it too, that boxing is a sport where a lot of things don't folllow logic, muscular guys sometimes can't break an egg and skinny guys can take down a building, and that guys who can take rights all night on the chin, collapse from a tap of a left hook.

I don't know I completely agree. Ali was more a boxer but he had snap to his punches. I think it was his peppering of Foreman with sharp punches that got him so aggressive. It wasn't just laying on the ropes and hoping he tired.

 

[mozfonky]

I don't know I completely agree. Ali was more a boxer but he had snap to his punches. I think it was his peppering of Foreman with sharp punches that got him so aggressive. It wasn't just laying on the ropes and hoping he tired.

ali had a good right hand, he landed plenty of them in that fight, he hurt and staggered foreman, and when he knocked him down, it looked to be a real knockdown but he could have gotten up but decided not too, kinda like how sonny did with the phantom punch.