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Is it a good idea to let kids fail?

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I was thinking about this while watching that Trophy Kids documentary the other day. The father of the highschool football player, told his son he wasn’t allowed to date. His son fired back by saying the father dated at his age. The father replied by saying he doesn’t want his son to make the same mistakes and ruin his life.


So should parents let their kids fail? Is it better to let your kid live his life by his own will? Or should you try to control your kid’s life as much as possible in order to prevent them from making stupid mistakes.


Here is a random example: Lets say your highschool kid wanted to take out a huge 6 figure college loan in order to major in philosophy. Would you forbid him, or let him live by his own will and make his own mistakes?

Discuss
 
If you are preventing your kids from dating at all because of the risk of "failure," then you've crossed into micromanaging their lives to the point of abuse.

Why would dating be or lead to unconditional failure.

As to the six-figure loan for a philosophy major? I wouldn't co-sign it, because it's a bad ROI investment and teens don't necessarily have that kind of wisdom or foresight. At the same time, teens can do much worse and more destructive things than study philosophy.

I would co-sign the loan if they took philosophy for their elective courses, or did a double major between philosophy and a field that leads to a good paying job. They could still test out philosophy on the side or even follow it through to undergrad completion, but they'd have something else to show for it.

As to letting kids succeed or fail in general... Yes, that is part of growing up. It is a lot easier to screw up that natural process with too much intervention than too little.
 
I majored in philosophy and I guarantee I make more money than 99% of you cucks.
 
If you are preventing your kids from dating at all because of the risk of "failure," then you've crossed into micromanaging their lives to the point of abuse.

Why would dating be or lead to unconditional failure.

In the context of the show, the father felt early dating would take away his son's focus on becoming a future pro NFL player
 
In the context of the show, the father felt early dating would take away his son's focus on becoming a future pro NFL player

Then the kid will probably fuck it all up in college because he's emotionally the same as a grade 10 kid when he gets there.

It's dating. It's not doing drugs or binge drinking.

If the kid has the talent, then he has the talent. He needs to pass his courses, stay in shape and practice football. That doesn't need to take up 16 hours a day, seven days a week.
 
Is that a rhetorical question???? Failing is a HUGE part of the learning process. The problem with the kids these days is that they have been fucking coddled so much that they can't function in society and expect everything to be handed to them... they don't want to work from the ground up and earn their pay through hard work... they expect top wages right out of college or HS. It's a god damned shame...and PATHETIC.
 
Is that a rhetorical question???? Failing is a HUGE part of the learning process. The problem with the kids these days is that they have been fucking coddled so much that they can't function in society and expect everything to be handed to them... they don't want to work from the ground up and earn their pay through hard work... they expect top wages right out of college or HS. It's a god damned shame...and PATHETIC.

Yeaaaaahh... every generation has said this, dating back to early man. "Kids these days are lazy and disrespectful etc etc."
 
Yeaaaaahh... every generation has said this, dating back to early man. "Kids these days are lazy and disrespectful etc etc."

The last 100 years or so really have been a time where things have continuously gotten easier and more convenient.

We really are pussies compared to the WW2 generation, and kids today really are pussies compared to us.
 
Yes. The men ruling the world right now are the result of their own countless failures and often hard lives. Being a man is not easy a man is made not really born. The people who will start your next war, and scheme up new agendas are the epitome of human excellene. We need them just as they need God in their lives.

Some of the most useless people are the result of protected coddling. These people are ripe for being exploited. Even if they make it into some nominal position of influence.
 
Yes. The men ruling the world right now are the result of their own countless failures and often hard lives. Being a man is not easy a man is made not really born. The people who will start your next war, and scheme up new agenda are the epitome of human excellene. We need them just as they need God in their lives.

Some of the most useless people are the result of protected coddling. These people are ripe for being exploited. Even if they make it into some nominal position of influence.

I was with you until these sentences.

Rising to power isn't equal to the peak of human excellence.

Galileo had no power. Shakespeare started no wars.

Your apparent worldview, where everyone else is a target for exploitation, isn't too different from how sociopaths view things.
 
Yeaaaaahh... every generation has said this, dating back to early man. "Kids these days are lazy and disrespectful etc etc."
They are increasingly worse that when I was that age... 30 years ago. The whole school environment is one of the contributing factors. And shit parenting.
 
The last 100 years or so really have been a time where things have continuously gotten easier and more convenient.

We really are pussies compared to the WW2 generation, and kids today really are pussies compared to us.
The possibility that kids these days are pussies compared to me is mindblowing.

As far as failure is concerned, better you let them learn how to do it early. Because everybody fails, and learning late in life doesn't do anyone any favors.
 
I was with you until these sentences.

Your apparent worldview, where everyone else is a target for exploitation, isn't too different from how sociopaths view things.

I'm not a sociopath and that term isn't used anymore by the way. My point in making that was that it fits into the natural order of life and our universe. Without our elites, no matter what century humanity would be dead. The common masses are too dumb to lead or pioneer new fields. There always needs to be ditch diggers, secretaries, loan officers and leaders etc.

If you actually believe that we aren't mean to be ruled and serve a higher power than by good luck making sense out of the world. The people who make it to the top are for all intent and purposes the superiors of a society. Only the filth wold disagree (monarchies aside) but hey most mon archives were overthrown by true leaders.

War will exist whether you want to pretend it won't or not. Sleeping in your safe little bed is the result of "sociopaths" who take preemptive measures to assure your safety and that of your 'nation'. War isn't bad in of itself it serves a purpose and is just a part of humanity. It makes the world go round the same way that animals hunt and kill one another and the same way that viruses spring up and kill off large segments humanity (black death anyone?) It's a dog eat dog wold which is why your people, family and nation and higher power should come first.
 
The possibility that kids these days are pussies compared to me is mindblowing.

I know. But back in my day, if a kid twice your size wanted your lunch money, you either had to beat him down or at least go down swinging so he knew that he would have to work for that shit next time.

Now, you complain about it and become a hero once you hit 10,000 retweets.

Remember the types of structures that were in playgrounds when we were kids? Crazy ass chainbridges and monkey bars. Everything I ever played on in a playground has been deemed unsafe and replaced by a bunch of rubber stuff that doesn't go up more than eight feet.
 
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Yes, kids should be allowed to fail. I would draw the line at life destroying lessons though.
 
I'm not a sociopath and that term isn't used anymore by the way. My point in making that was that it fits into the natural order of life and our universe. Without our elites, no matter what century humanity would be dead. The common masses are too dumb to lead or pioneer new fields. There always needs to be ditch diggers, secretaries, loan officers and leaders etc.

I still use it and so do most people. I'm not going to send Sherdoggers to the DSM to figure out what I'm talking about.

Humanity would be dead without our elites? Political elites? Louis Pasteur wasn't a politically powerful man, but has saved more lives than possibly anyone in human history.

You also can't combine the intellectual elites and politically powerful people into one meaningful group here, since it's the people that start wars whom you admire. It was the intellectuals that ended World War 2. They developed the science that ended it, and it also happened that they literally begged the political elites (of the Allies) not to use the Bomb on Japan.

The Elite Pol Pot's "political platform" was literally doing away with all education.

If you actually believe that we aren't mean to be ruled and serve a higher power than by good luck making sense out of the world. The people who make it to the top are for all intent and purposes the superiors of a society. Only the filth wold disagree (monarchies aside) but hey most mon archives were overthrown by true leaders.

Meant to serve a higher power? What does that even mean?

War will exist whether you want to pretend it won't or not. Sleeping in your safe little bed is the result of "sociopaths" who take preemptive measures to assure your safety and that of your 'nation'. War isn't bad in of itself it serves a purpose and is just a part of humanity. It makes the world go round the same way that animals hunt and kill one another and the same way that viruses spring up and kill off large segments humanity (black death anyone?) It's a dog eat dog wold which is why your people, family and nation and higher power should come first.

The way you are viewing things sounds like the way sociopaths pre-emptively view their targets as about to do the same thing to them, thus justifying their actions / invasions / aggressions.

And also the way you are justifying taking advantage of / infringing upon others. "It's the pinnacle of human existence, and it pushes our species forward, so it's like a moral responsibility to take advantage of these other people to keep humanity moving forward!"

That's the very reason we've had to develop laws against fraud, theft, rape, slander, libel, etc. These aren't really "moving humanity forward." These are just remedial work to correct and disincentivize the worst that humans do to each other.

And why are you praising war? It's not bad in and of itself? Are you fucking serious?

You don't think a world without war, or the constant threat of war, or the constant threat of being invaded and killed by other nations is something worth striving for?

And you are going to declare it outright impossible to achieve from the get go. Why? I refer you again to your own stated worldview.
 
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Yeaaaaahh... every generation has said this, dating back to early man. "Kids these days are lazy and disrespectful etc etc."

There is a definite difference from when I was a kid. The local newspaper can't find kids to deliver papers anymore and they don't even have to collect any money. They even tried only having to do 3 days a week instead of 6 but they couldn't get any. Kids used to mow lawns and most parents can't even get their kids to mow their own lawn.
 
I think failure within a safe environment can be very good for fostering strength of character and problem-solving skills, confidence, etc.

I was pretty sheltered growing up and while I had a good childhood growing up, I've got my confidence and self esteem issues as a result of it.
 
There is a definite difference from when I was a kid. The local newspaper can't find kids to deliver papers anymore and they don't even have to collect any money. They even tried only having to do 3 days a week instead of 6 but they couldn't get any. Kids used to mow lawns and most parents can't even get their kids to mow their own lawn.

Fucking collecting. There was always some asshole that didn't want to pay.

 
I majored in philosophy and I guarantee I make more money than 99% of you cucks.
We're sure you do.....
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