Is Iran trying to create 'Greater Iran' aka Super Iran ? Iran is not harmless

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-candidates-ignore-rising-military-dangers-1460930804

War could very likely be coming within the next 10 to 15 years given the rising instability. In fact some people might say that the situation is ripe for collision at some point in the not too distant future. Meanwhile, we have people wishing to pretend that the entire world gets along, and can somehow continue oblivious to reality.

400px-Greatesiranmap.gif


Rouhani is just a puppet of Khamenei


"As the U.S. allows its nuclear forces to stagnate and decay into de facto unilateral disarmament, Russia has been modernizing its own. The Kremlin has added systems, such as road-mobile, intercontinental ballistic missiles with independently targetable re-entry warheads, that we neither have nor envision. In the absence of “soft-power” parity with the U.S., Russia dangerously relies on a permissive nuclear doctrine and promiscuously rattles its atomic sabers. Its nuclear adventurism, naval and land force modernization, unopposed reintroduction into the Middle East, invasion and annexation in Ukraine, and the ability to recapture the Baltic states in an afternoon, are yet another impeachment of “the end of history.”

With little resistance, China incrementally annexes the South China Sea while embarked on a naval buildup inversely proportional to the smallest U.S. fleet since 1916, and further aggravated by China’s ability, once its naval technology matures, to surge production in its 106 major shipyards as opposed to America’s six. More importantly, China is expanding its nuclear forces to what extent we do not know, because the Chinese program’s infrastructure is hidden within 3,000 miles of tunnels largely opaque to U.S. intelligence. As if China were not a major rival, the Obama administration, ever infatuated with accords, has made no effort to include Beijing in a nuclear arms-control regime. Why not?

We pay Iran for allowing us to stabilize its acquisition of nuclear armaments, and discount both the North Korean threat and missile defense, the only means of opposing it. As North Korea and Iran work up to minimal nuclear capacity, this administration works down to it, thus (in a mistaken conception of nuclear sufficiency) encouraging proliferation and eventual parity among a large number of nuclear states. Nothing could be more dangerous."
 
The nuke deal must be worse than i thought is these guys are thinking of taking part of china. sounds unlikely.

Did some guy from the wsj just draw that outline with crayola? i cant read the full article
 
That map is overblown but the criticisms about Obama's weakness leading to Russia modernizing its nuclear arsenal and annexing territory, and China building artificial islands, are good. Obama is setting the US up for failure down the road by weakening her. We've had years of his terrible policies now and like all things in life, rebuilding it will be harder than tearing it down. He deeply hates the US military and is undermining it purposely.
 
You mention Iran in your title but really its Russia and China that seem more threatening to me and you quote there seems to confirm that. I highly doubt Iran is capable of building a fraction of this so called greater Iran that you posted. At this point they maybe could take the Shiite portion of Iraq but given the hellhole Iraq is maybe the party that would be worse off if that did happen would be the Iranians. If they want part of that hell hole I say let em have.
 
The nuke deal must be worse than i thought is these guys are thinking of taking part of china. sounds unlikely.

Did some guy from the wsj just draw that outline with crayola? i cant read the full article

I got that map from wikipedia. The article does not mention 'greater Iran' at all. Instead, I brought up Greater Iran as the more I read about Iran the more I see it is intent on financing terrorism and expanding its power beyond its border. Iran also, has the population, resources, and people to expand to 'greater Iran'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Iran
That map is overblown but the criticisms about Obama's weakness leading to Russia modernizing its nuclear arsenal and annexing territory, and China building artificial islands, are good. Obama is setting the US up for failure down the road by weakening her. We've had years of his terrible policies now and like all things in life, rebuilding it will be harder than tearing it down. He deeply hates the US military and is undermining it purposely.

That is my one criticism of Obama. I think the Nuke deal will come back to bite us in the a## in a few years.

However, I think his approach towards Russia has been good. Russia is not our 'evil enemy' anymore. I feel we need to focus more on North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, and China. In addition, India could possibly be a threat. Of course the real threats are still Iran, Pakistan, China, and Sunni states funding terror and expanding Wahhabism .


You mention Iran in your title but really its Russia and China that seem more threatening to me and you quote there seems to confirm that. I highly doubt Iran is capable of building a fraction of this so called greater Iran that you posted. At this point they maybe could take the Shiite portion of Iraq but given the hellhole Iraq is maybe the party that would be worse off if that did happen would be the Iranians. If they want part of that hell hole I say let em have.


I disagree about Russia being this great threat. They are a country I feel we can work with more than say China, Pakistan or Iran.
 
would've been a cooler name if you called it super iran. greater iran sounds like something iran's grandma would call it.
 
That map is overblown but the criticisms about Obama's weakness leading to Russia modernizing its nuclear arsenal and annexing territory, and China building artificial islands, are good. Obama is setting the US up for failure down the road by weakening her. We've had years of his terrible policies now and like all things in life, rebuilding it will be harder than tearing it down. He deeply hates the US military and is undermining it purposely.
haven't read much on the South China Sea situation(though I really should eventually) but it does seem like an area of the world that would benefit from some US military flexing. Our ally in that part of the world, Japan, is actually worth defending unlike our ally in the Middle East, the Saudis.

Or maybe we should let Japan militarize(perhaps help them?) and keep the Chinese at bay.
 
I disagree about Russia being this great threat. They are a country I feel we can work with more than say China, Pakistan or Iran.
That seems strange to me. Russia has actually invaded a country and has the largest nuclear stockpile in the world while the Iranian regime hasn't invaded anyone in its existence and as far as we know does not have any nuclear weapons.
 
That seems strange to me. Russia has actually invaded a country and has the largest nuclear stockpile in the world while the Iranian regime hasn't invaded anyone in its existence and as far as we know does not have any nuclear weapons.

Because Russia is not ruled by religious extremists and has way more to loose. Furthermore, Russia is a way more stable and united country (if you ask me) with masses of people who are closer to achieving Democracy in Russia than Iran. Furthermore, Russia's actions really aren't bad at all and not anything worse than stuff the British, or Pakis have done let alone other groups around the world like (Arab states). Russia also shows a desire to be more integrated with Europe.

Ask yourself what is more likely. That China a way more centrally powered society with a way more stable agenda driven government and larger population with more economic power would try and rival the USA or Russia?

Russia has a small population compared to China as well.

I feel the likelihood of Russia actually wanting war with the US and allies is way less likely than China or Iran desiring war.
 
More fearmongering? That map is as unrealistic as ISIS plan for expansion:

ISIS-world-map.jpg
 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-candidates-ignore-rising-military-dangers-1460930804

War could very likely be coming within the next 10 to 15 years given the rising instability. In fact some people might say that the situation is ripe for collision at some point in the not too distant future. Meanwhile, we have people wishing to pretend that the entire world gets along, and can somehow continue oblivious to reality.

400px-Greatesiranmap.gif
That is most absurd fearmongering to date.

How can a sane person think Iran is going to exert control over or take chunks of Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Turkey and the most absurd bit about your scenariop is Iran taking a small bit out of China. China took a bit of Pakistan and the former did jack shit.
 
Forget Greater Iran and Greater Israel what about Greater America? Canadia is rightful American clay. Why doesn't anybody talk about that?
 
Super Islamic Battle Iran?
 
More fearmongering? That map is as unrealistic as ISIS plan for expansion:

ISIS-world-map.jpg


Uh not it is not. ISIS is not a country with a 70 million population, and nuclear reactors and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

Plus 'Greater Iran' would just be taking land from neighboring weakened states.

That is most absurd fearmongering to date.

How can a sane person think Iran is going to exert control over or take chunks of Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Turkey and the most absurd bit about your scenariop is Iran taking a small bit out of China. China took a bit of Pakistan and the former did jack shit.

That map is just the old school concept. Use your brain

Taking parts of China is out of the question (most likely) but taking parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq not to mention Turkmenistan or other weak Central Asian states could be possible. If Iran gets nukes they could easily rival Pakistan.
 
Uh not it is not. ISIS is not a country with a 70 million population, and nuclear reactors and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

Plus 'Greater Iran' would just be taking land from neighboring weakened states.



That map is just the old school concept. Use your brain

Taking parts of China is out of the question (most likely) but taking parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq not to mention Turkmenistan or other weak Central Asian states could be possible. If Iran gets nukes they could easily rival Pakistan.
It's not possible. Those nations are not going to stand idly by and Pakistan has nukes to retaliate with. Iran doesn't have nukes and there is no reason to believe they will get nukes any time soon.
 
It's not possible. Those nations are not going to stand idly by and Pakistan has nukes to retaliate with. Iran doesn't have nukes and there is no reason to believe they will get nukes any time soon.

Anything is possible. First rule of life (just about). Sure you can't fly but don't act like you know the future or can 100% say for certain that something wont happen.

Also, you seem very unwilling to see Iran for the threat that it is. I suppose it is because you see Iran as a counter to Sunni radicalism brewing in the region?
 
As usual, TS's threads are crazy, fear mongering, zionist filth.

The normalisation of the West's relationship with Iran is the best thing that can happen in the region.
 
Oh and TS forgot antisemitism this time. I am disapoint.
 
Remember when the "elite" Quds force went to liberate Tikrit and got their shit pushed in until they took their ball and went home like a scorned child? That was funny.
 
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